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LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

EricR — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:47:01 GMT

Starting a new thread with the attached PDF for LabVIEW Roadmap discussions. I'll point other threads over here for reference. NI created this view so that we could specifically share with all LabVIEW users. We agree that showing this in some way is a useful communication tool.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

BertMcMahan — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 22:09:16 GMT

Thanks Eric. There's definitely some stuff I'm excited about on there. The dependency management improvements will be very welcome... I'm trying to fix a giant library right now that's pointing to a bunch of incorrect, interwoven dependency paths and it's a big pain. (And since I'm the one who created it, I can't even blame someone else! 😉)

So does "Upcoming 1-2 Releases" mean "LabVIEW 2022 or 2023"? Or does the timeline start further out?

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

billko — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:28:35 GMT

Does the "better support for large monitors" mean you've been able to implement the BD zoom feature from NXG?

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

TiTou — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 07:52:28 GMT

Thank you Eric for publishing this.

Is there a specific reason why there is no LabVIEW 2022 beta program?

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

Dataflow_G — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:43:34 GMT

According to this post the LabVIEW 2022 beta has been paused, due to LabVIEW moving to two major releases per year.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

billko — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:53:58 GMT

@Dataflow_G wrote:

According to this post the LabVIEW 2022 beta has been paused, due to LabVIEW moving to two major releases per year.

It's agile run amuck. I seriously can't see packing enough content into a six-month release to warrant a major release. I have to say I've become jaded enough to believe that this is just another marketing ploy to make you think this is worth holding your software hostage for.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

rolfk — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:10:47 GMT

@Dataflow_G wrote:

According to this post the LabVIEW 2022 beta has been paused, due to LabVIEW moving to two major releases per year.

Two major releases per year? Someone definitely drank too much kool aid!

It sounds to me like an attempt to promote minor bug fixes as a full new release.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

Desruelle_luc — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:47:24 GMT

Thank you Eric for publishing this. A+ Luc

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

billko — Sun, 20 Mar 2022 05:15:25 GMT

@rolfk wrote:

@Dataflow_G wrote:

According to this post the LabVIEW 2022 beta has been paused, due to LabVIEW moving to two major releases per year.

Two major releases per year? Someone definitely drank too much kool aid!

It sounds to me like an attempt to promote minor bug fixes as a full new release.

And here I was thinking that they should cut it back to one release a year because they are having trouble making a case for service packs these days.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

JKSH — Sun, 20 Mar 2022 06:29:37 GMT

@billko wrote:

Does the "better support for large monitors" mean you've been able to implement the BD zoom feature from NXG?

The roadmap says "Improve LabVIEW IDE experience on high resolution monitors". I suspect this is simply enabling DPI-awareness (so that text don't appear physically tiny, for example).

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

billko — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 00:47:21 GMT

@JKSH wrote:

@billko wrote:

Does the "better support for large monitors" mean you've been able to implement the BD zoom feature from NXG?

The roadmap says "Improve LabVIEW IDE experience on high resolution monitors". I suspect this is simply enabling DPI-awareness (so that text don't appear physically tiny, for example).

Oh, well.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

amaury74 — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:08:49 GMT

Nice to see new features like .NET5 and Unicode coming to the "good old fashion" LabVIEW 😀. Any chance to get a more modern web browser integration arriving with these ?

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

Desruelle_luc — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:20:06 GMT

Hello

@amaury74 a écrit : Any chance to get a more modern web browser integration arriving with these ?

Tu as bien raison :

>>> update the embedded web browser in order to comply with HTML5 ? : Modern embedded web browser

cf un échange récent

Résolu : Modern embedded web browser - NI Community

A+ Luc

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

GGT — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 10:43:16 GMT

I (and I'm sure many others) welcome the long overdue introduction of a Data Grid control, although I'll have probably retired before I see it. Better late than never, I suppose.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

OneOfTheDans — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:00:04 GMT

@GGT wrote:

I (and I'm sure many others) welcome the long overdue introduction of a Data Grid control

That was the only capability on the list that would justify me upgrading from LV2020. Then I scrolled to the right and saw it's not even in the next 2 major releases 😢

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

BertMcMahan — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:07:21 GMT

@OneOfTheDans wrote:

@GGT wrote:

I (and I'm sure many others) welcome the long overdue introduction of a Data Grid control

That was the only capability on the list that would justify me upgrading from LV2020. Then I scrolled to the right and saw it's not even in the next 2 major releases 😢

There's a thread somewhere that mentioned NI is moving to two major releases per year (not sure how that works). If you interpret it that way it could mean the new Datagrid control is planned for next year some time, which would be nice.

As someone who's implemented a Datagrid myself, I don't think NI would need three+ years to implement one, unless it's just REALLY low on their priority list. I know they do a heck of a lot more testing and work on it than I did but still, I made one out of the Qcontrol toolkit in less than a month. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.

That said... it's pretty dang confusing to not have any actual dates on the timeline. Having to combine this roadmap and some random Idea Exchange posts from NI to decipher their timeline makes me think the LV 2022 Beta program has been replaced with an ARG 😁

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

rolfk — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:36:54 GMT

@BertMcMahan wrote:

@OneOfTheDans wrote:

@GGT wrote:

I (and I'm sure many others) welcome the long overdue introduction of a Data Grid control

That was the only capability on the list that would justify me upgrading from LV2020. Then I scrolled to the right and saw it's not even in the next 2 major releases 😢

As someone who's implemented a Datagrid myself, I don't think NI would need three+ years to implement one, unless it's just REALLY low on their priority list. I know they do a heck of a lot more testing and work on it than I did but still, I made one out of the Qcontrol toolkit in less than a month. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Well consider that such a control would be an actually built in control, not just some control based on QControl or similar LabVIEW trickery. So something similar to the TreeView control in LabVIEW. That would justify a two year development cycle, first year to write the actual code and add it as a hidden feature to the product (with semi-official INI file leak to let the very brave play with it), second year to make it work without crashes and then it could be released.

On that level things work a little bit more complicated and it needs to be properly added into the LabVIEW object hierarchy including scripting.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

BertMcMahan — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:57:04 GMT

I don't mean to trivialize the development effort that such a control would take. I understand really, truly adding a native type is much different from creating an add-on. The roadmap though seems to indicate it's 3 years out though (assuming 1 major release per year) which seemed excessive. I could certainly understand 2 years though.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

brentjustice — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:29:00 GMT

There was a data grid control in LabVIEW NXG:

https://www.ni.com/documentation/en/labview/latest/ctrl-ref/data-grid/

I suspect that this is apart of the initiative to take NXG tech and port it backwards into LabVIEW.

So, I wonder how much of the NXG work can be ported, or if this would truly be starting from scratch.

Re: LabVIEW Roadmap (2022)

billko — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:19:40 GMT

Docked constants were nice, and I'm guessing it wouldn't be TOO difficult to implement. (Not easy, either.)