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Many folks have huge trouble with building extra packages for the cRIOs (that are either missing or outdated), not to mention reproducible deployment and configuration management.

 

In industrial environments, we need a very high degree of customizability and reproducability, which the current nilrt distro just cannot provide. Setting up such an environment from scratch is a huge work for users, which usually aren't Linux embedded expert.

 

Therefore I'd suggest an fully automatized deployment of development environments, which are also easily customizable for the user. Major keypoints are:

 

a) development environment setup:

* container-based solution that can put together an environment automatically, using well-proven standard technology (eg. docker, ansible, ...)

* executable documentation: use declarative approaches, that are easy to understand and allow automatic documentation (eg. for verification / validation)

* use a recent, well-maintained standard distro (inside the container), and use off-the-shelf standard tools where possible

* fully tracable source control via git

* easily customizable: the user can fork off his own configuration from the appropriate upstream release, customize to his needs and later rebase to newer upstream releases if wanted

* automatic setup of package mirrors, binary repositories, product specific local deployment and HIL environments, etc.

b) target build environment:

* highly reproducable - even after very long time (eg. also allows automatic source code mirrors, etc)

* executable documentation - the configuration can be easily understood and used for generating documentation

* based on a Linux embedded experts community

* supports building for several (including customer-specific) target platforms

* supports easy configuration / customization of installed packages, as well as features selection and tuning of individual packages

* supports easily adding own software

* supports maintaining customized system configuration with image building

* fully tracable source control via git

--> the natural choice is using PTXDist (fast, reliable, reproducable, excellent expert community)

 

I'd estimate about 6 man-month (for a lone developer) for the initial stable release of the core system, plus another 6 mm for additional tasks like user documentation, examples, target specific configurations, etc.

 

Costs: about 200k $ (including extra buffer)

Equals sales price of about 25..30 avg. cRIO units. (RIO break even likely at about 50 units).

 

Write clean IIO drivers for the NI DAQ cards and bringt them to mainline.

 

Pro:

* full Linux-support via standard APIs out of the box (without extra sw installations)

* very high quality by community driven maintenance

* directly supporting for standard applications by standard APIs, w/o any hw-specific modifications

* easy integration in / customization for complex scenarios

 

* increased sales volume by opening a completely new market (Linux/FOSS world)

 

Costs:

* avg. 4..8 man-weeks per device type

* usually less than 1kLOC per device

 

For example, the - currently completely unsupported NI-600x - can be easily integrated into IIO as well as GPIO and PWM subsystems (driver can provide several interfaces in parallel, so users can pick the appropriate one for their applications).

 

NI could open up a new market - the Linux/FOSS world - which is currently completely unavailable to them right no, due to lack of usable drivers.

I was asked to post this here instead of in the VLM forum:

 

Every time there is a new update of LabVIEW we typically hunt down the installation disks from ni.com as soon as they are available, and start the process of making volume license installers...(Or, if the update seems less exciting, we wait patiently for the shipped DVDs). 

 

I wish it the whole provcess could be made smoother. Based on the volume license installers we have, the VLM could simply subscribe to newer versions.

 

When 2014 comes out, the package would automatically go out to all the VLMs out there, and new volume license installers would pop up on our local VLM as soon as the software was ready...OR, alternatively, the VLM could be hosted by NI instead (possibly supported by a local VLM for offline use), so that the process of creating new installers were really done by NI (or automatically by NI hardware that is) based on whatever setup we as VLM admins had chosen...and the source material from NI.

 

(This idea came about as a side note to this related discussion about LabVIEW cloud services).

 
MTO
 
PS. Why do I have to assign this idea a label when the only available labels (I'm not allowed to create a new one) is unrelated to MAX, Veristand or the System Config API?

Please change the System Explorer Windows to be resizable.

 

Best Regards,

Stu

 

When CSV file is imported to stimulus profile editor, VeriStand outputs the 0th-order signals drawn in blue. However, my customer wants to output the 1st-order signals in red. That would be best to select 0th/1st-order hold depending on the applications. Do you have a plan to support this feature in the near future?
According to this link, the Stimulus Profile Editor generates a real-time sequence from a CSV file.  So it would be very nice to have this feature in VeriStand 🙂

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Currently there is no specific upgrade path for VeriStand. This affects code reuse and portability when trying to keep up with the latest version. It's understandable that there are going to be limitations, but lack of documentation makes this task very difficult. 

For some reason you can only set the time zone of your PAC from NI Max...if you need to adjust the date or time you need to run a VI in LabVIEW or build an app (!!). Neiter intuitive nor practical...

 

Add a time setting function in NI Max so that anyone with NI Max can adjust the clock without having to touch the code that runs on it. That's how people expect it to work.

NI License Manager is a really good tool to check in a visual way in which products are licensed and connecting to the Server License.

 

However, in case you need to request access from NI License Manager to the server through the "Manage" button on the Network License tab, you need to go specifically to each machine physically or set up a remote third party tool to request the access with that button.

 

Therefore, it will be a great solution to create certain options for the NI License Manager and set up some Master License Managers to make these requests from a few selected computers. Adding value to the security of the server as it will not be accessed very often.

 

Thanks.

Say I have profileA which calls sequenceB which calls sequenceC. sequenceC needs to access UserChannelX defined in the system definition. Currently, the only way to do so, I believe, is to pass UserChannelX into sequenceC as a parameter which means it needs to be defined as a parameter in sequenceB as well, even if it's not used in sequenceB. This greatly increases the number of arguments of a sequence which may never be used but is necessary in order to give the lowest sequence access to system definition channels. It seems like we should make sytem definition channels directly available at any subsequence level (sort of like how global variables can be referenced anywhere). Thank you.

Hi,

 

We are using the VeriStand SystemDefinition .NET API to automatically generate VeriStand .sdf files. However the SystemDefinitionAPI only seems to work when accessed in 32Bit applications (in our case Matlab/Simulink). As in the future more and more applications will only be available as 64Bit versions, this very convenient VeriStand feature will no longer be usable for us. Thus I strongly suggest for to provide also a 64Bit compatible version of the SystemDefinition .NET API. Interestingly, other VeriStand .NET APIs (like the Execution API) seem to work well even when accessed from 64Bit applications.

 

Best regards,

Thomas Zettl

 

When you install LabVIEW RT to a compactRIO you can/used to get recommended software sets to install e.g. Standard, minimal, scan mode. <br><br>We should have one for Veristand which includes Veristands required elements but not additional packages which could increase the jitter of the system.

The only way to change channel mappings to control and indicators is to right click on each control to change the channel. The work around is to use alias for each workspace item and them modify the alias from the system definition.

 

I think another more convenient option would have the operator use the manage items window from the screen tab to select which channels to display on the workspace. It already shows all the channels connected but it would add plenty of functionality if you could change the mappings from this window also.

 

tldr: Screen>>Manage Items... - ability to change channel mappings

I wrote this idea after having spent a lot of time trying to understand a strange connection problem between MAX and NI-cDAQ 9188 ethernet chassis.

As a matter of fact I discovered that MAX uses the proxy settings made inside Internet Explorer (in Tools >> Internet options >> Connections >> LAN settings). If you set a proxy inside IE, MAX uses this proxy trying to connect to a NI cDAQ ethernet chassis.

If you set the same proxy inside Firefox (for example), MAX doesn't use this proxy settings.

For this reason you must tell the customer how to configure the proxy inside IE in order to be sure that MAx is able to connect to the NI cDAQ ethernet chassis. And if the customer has already set the IE proxy as requested for network connection, it could happen that he must change this settings, and this could be a problem.

 

I suggest that MAX (and other NI software) should have its own proxy settings (has Firefox has) so that it would be possible connecting to cDAQ ethernet chassis even with "strange" settings of IE proxy.

Although many examples exist for VeriStand. They are not easy to find for new users unless they are shown where they are. If they have been using other NI Software , they would likely go to the Help>Find Examples option in the splash/development menu options. In LabVIEW,

 

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This menu option does not exist in VeriStand.

 

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Giving access to these Examples from the load screen would be helpful for new customers who are getting started and existing customers looking to do a quick test. Navigating for a specific example can be a bit tedious at times because they don't all exist in the same level. Like Sinewave Delay and Engine Demo for instance.

 

<Public VeriStand>\Projects\Example\Sinewave Delay.nivsproj

<Public VeriStand>\Examples\Stimulus Profile\Engine Demo\Engine Demo.nivsproj

 

Hello

 

I have encountered problems while converting the Embedded Data Logger Receive Time information from VeriStand in double format into a Excel time stamp.

 

When I am introducing my logging data in .tdsm format I was not able to convert it into a "normal" time stamp with date and time information using the excel cell categories concerning time and data options. My solution to that was a exectuable which the NI support has generated for me. Otherwise it was not possible to me to make this conversion.

 

Either NI should publish the algorithm how to convert this double value into a "normal" time stamp or there should be a possibility to log the data in a easiliy understandble way for Excel to convert it.

 

Best greetings

Lukas Nowak

Hello

I work with DAQmx tasks a lot and I'd appreciate a "Copy and Paste tasks" functionality. It is mildly annoying to go through the entire process of new task definition when re-using (rename and modify) an existing task would be a lot faster.

 

Thank you

Michael

With VLM 3.1, a number of default reports are available (License Activity, Client Activity, ...).

Some of the default reports (License Activity, Seat utilization and Seat Utilization (Concurrent)) have a License field that the user need to complete.

 

The issue I have is that we are using different licenses (Dev Suite, Dev Suite with Data Management, Dev Suite with FPGA, ...) and that I cannot generate a report that includes all licenses together.

 

My request is to have the possibility to select "All licenses" in the License field.

 

I am more than willing to validate this feature in an alpha/beta release.

Dear NI Community,

 

it would be a good feature, if it'll be possible to see directly in NI License Manager list of licenses, and expiration dates - all at once. If it'll be possilbe to export it, it would be really great, because then you can sort them, check what will expire first, and so on.

 

Because when sometimes we use trial keys for toolkits, activated at different time - it's a mess, because one needs somehow to track when trial license will expire, and when you need to ask for new one / to purchase final license, and so on...

 

Why don't to make it more easier for users then? Smiley Wink

 

Thanks a lot,

Sincerely, kosist90.

Currently the Find Systems VI in the system configuration toolkit is great for searching NI hardware on the network to connect to. However for large networks it would be convenient to search specific subnets and IP ranges.

 

IDEA Summary:  Please make a optional input terminal for the Find Systems VI that can search a specific subnet or range of IP addresses.

 

 

Request for a "Find / Replace" search function in Stimulus Profile Editor:

 

+ To find where a variable [parameter] is found in code

+ To bulk replace a variable [parameter], when required