Data Acquisition Idea Exchange

Texas Instruments makes a superb line of 16-bit Sigma-Delta ADCs with sampling rates up to 10MHz: ADS 1610, ADS 1602, etc.

See  http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads1610.pdf

They sell for about $25 each in modest quantities.

Using these converters would provide much better fidelity than any available products as there is no need for external analog antialiasing filters. 

I'll place my order now. I personally need 1,2,4,8 AIs and 1,2 AOs with same sampling frequencies from same clock. I don't need all those digital I/Os and quadrature decoders.

Just give me analog I/O with sigma-delta converters.  When can I place an order?

NI should make sure that the measurement uncertainty specifications for its DAQ hardware are aligned with uncertainty analyses that are performed according the ISO "Guide to the expression of Uncertainty in Measurement" (GUM). See http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/gum.html. Furthermore, the language used could conform to the ISO "International Vocabulary of Metrology" (VIM). See http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html.

Absolute encoders have been around for some time, but NI's motion hardware still supports only incremental encoders.  I would like to see support for absolute encoders in NI Motion or NI Soft Motion.

NI supports almost any bus.  Why not SSI (synchronous serial interface) ?  

Of course, there is always the option to use an R series card and then build an interface.  Why not have a low-cost PCI or USB card? Also, perhaps a C-series module, so that we don't have to take up FPGA space?

Hi everyone, I have new project of measuring pressure and temperature, the problem here is I must put everything in a box with IP 65 (High safety) and the data will be logged about 5 minutes of period, after each week I will take the data and load to computer. Can I using NI product to do it? is there any NI products with large memory inside for storage?

Currently when streaming analog or digital samples to DAQ board, output stays at the level of last sample received when buffer underflow occurs. This behavior can be observed on USB X Series Multifunction DAQ boards. I have USB-6363 model. The exact mode is hardware-timed, buffered, continuous, and non-regenerating. The buffer underflow error code is -200290 “The generation has stopped to prevent the regeneration of old samples. Your application was unable to write samples to the background buffer fast enough to prevent old samples from being regenerated.”

I would like to have an option to configure DAQ hardware to immediately set voltage on analog and digital outputs to a predefined state if the buffer underrun occurs. Also, I would like to have an option to immediately set one of PFI pins on buffer underrun.  

I believe this could be accomplished by modifying X series firmware and providing configuration of this feature in the DAQmx API. If no more samples are available in the buffer the DAQ board should immediately write predefined digital states / analog levels to outputs and indicate buffer underrun state on PFI line. Then it should report error to PC.

Doing this in firmware has certain advantages:

1. It can be done quickly (possibly within the time of the next missing sample – at 2Ms/s that’s 0.5us).
2. Handles all situations (software lockups, excessive CPU loading by other processes, loss of communication do to bus traffic, interface disconnection…)
3. It does not require any additional hardware (to turn off outputs externally).
4. Buffer underrun indication on PFI line could provide additional safety measure (it could be used for example to immediately disable external power amplifier connected to DAQ AO). 

Doing this using other methods is just too slow, does not handle all situations, or requires additional external circuitry.

Setting outputs from software, once error occurs, is slow (~25ms / time of 50000 samples at 2MS/s) and does not handle physical disconnection of the interface. Analog output does eventually go to 0 V on USB-6363 when USB cable is disconnected, but it takes about half a second.  

Using watchdog timer would also be too slow. The timer can be set to quite a short time, but form the software, I would not be able to reset it faster than every 10ms. It also would require switching off analog channels externally with additional circuitry, because watchdog timer is not available for analog channels.

The only viable solution right now is to route task sample clock to PFI and detect when it stops toggling. It actually does stop after last sample is programmed. Once that occurs, outputs can be switched off externally. This requires a whole lot of external circuitry and major development time. If you need reaction time to be within time of one or two samples, pulse detector needs to be customized for every possible sampling rate you might what to use. To make this work right for analog output, it would take RISC microcontroller and analog electronic switches. If you wanted to use external trigger to start the waveform, microcontroller would have to turn on the analog switch, look for beginning of waveform sample clock, record initial clock interval as reference, and finally turn off the switch if no pulse is received within reference time.

I’m actually quite impressed how well USB-6363 handles streaming to outputs. This allows me to output waveforms with complexity that regular arbitrary generators with fixed memory and sequencing simply cannot handle. The buffer underflow even at the highest sampling rate is quite rare. However, to make my system robust and safe, I need fast, simple, and reliable method of quickly shutting down the outputs that only hardware/firmware solution can provide.

Thanks,

Sebastian