CLD testleaks

[Ben]

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@LV_Pro wrote:

Ben, I didn't see that one! I'm guessing you were at my former employer that makes the big version of the items in your basement layout. I was out there a couple of years ago, ended up staying on the other end of town.

Thomas H. Monroe was actually my grandfather, a very stern, but loving, gentleman of the old school. Actually was an old school, West Point.

No there is no perfection in mankind, but we can try and trend that way, otherwise it is chaos. As to whether anyone has leaked, they may well could have, probably have somewhere, but not apparently in a public forum. To do so here would be not only dishonest, but frankly, stupid.

But back to the philosophic turn, how can you accomplish anything that you don't personally do without trust. Would you want to fly on an airplane where the pilot managed to cheat on the tests proving his/her ability? Undergo surgery? Etc., etc. Admittedly, even in these professions there are cheaters.

I wear a ring on the "pinky finger" of my "dominant hand" (the right hand in my case) that is symbolic of the "Obligation of the Engineer" which I received when I graduated with my degree in engineering. It is sort of like the Hippocratic oath that Doctor's make, that as an engineer I will work in honest enterprises, for the public good. This Order of the Engineer was copied after a similar organization created in Canada (Sorry Ray!), and maybe viewed as naive, but as I approach my six decade, with a lot of cynicism, I think it holds value to me still.

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Your guess in good. If the Inn is still open I can't say since running an opperation like that solo is no easy task.

I still where my college ring which includes the letters Tau Beta Pi for the engineering honor society that also had a professional oath. I wear it to help remind myself about the oath and for bonus points, still wear it backwards since learning did not end with college.

There is another lurking issue tho interwaved in this thread and that is the question of un-earned recognition which is what a Certification obtained by chaeting would be. It would be as vaualbe as a trophey for participating.

Ben

[MengHuiHanTang]

Mr.Monroe, I don't know why you have to make it so heavy here, what you have said, and your grandfather has said, those all are the right thing to do. Honesty or Loyalty is one of the most important base stones for the entire society. You are right, without it, mankind would live in chaos and misery. 

But I have to remind you, what we have discussed here is not about WHETHER you should be honest and trusted. Not at all, because that does not need to be discussed any more. First-grade kids are educated to behave that way. 

You can try and trend, but that only makes you, a single person, perfect; that won't stop other engineer from being dishonest; that won't stop other people from choosing whatever way they live their lives. Very unfortunately, cheaters are still at large out there, many of them even having a great life time. I strongly believe you are a righteous man, but the truth is the truth. 

This is not even the topic of the post, so let's stop it right here. 

[Ray.R]

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@LV_Pro wrote:

I wear a ring on the "pinky finger" of my "dominant hand" (the right hand in my case) that is symbolic of the "Obligation of the Engineer" which I received when I graduated with my degree in engineering. It is sort of like the Hippocratic oath that Doctor's make, that as an engineer I will work in honest enterprises, for the public good. This Order of the Engineer was copied after a similar organization created in Canada (Sorry Ray!), and maybe viewed as naive, but as I approach my six decade, with a lot of cynicism, I think it holds value to me still.

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Glad to read that you have something similar in the USA.  It does not matter if it is a copy of what we  have.  What is important is the purpose that it represents.  The integrity to do the right things.

As mentionned in this thread, there are honest and dishonest people everywhere.  What frustrates me is to compete with dishonest people.  It's not difficult to find out who they are.  But there are many more fools out there who support them. 

What is horrible is that people expect others to be lying on their resumes, and as such if you are honest,  you can be dismissed because there isn't enough "fluff" to outweigh the others.  Now, in such a society, where is the bar to evaluate anyone?  I guess there are no bars..  Which is why I see a new / better trend.  People get jobs because of referrals, not what's on your resume..  😄

Live long and prosper!  Maintain your integrity and keep you head up high.

[LV_Pro]

And I will say that it is, in a way, on topic to discuss trust, etc. you asked why there are no leaks. Not having done an in depth "google" search for leaks I can't say there aren't, but I reiterate that one reason may be that people have remained "trustworthy", and not violated their agreement, at test time, not to reveal its contents. Of course you would be unlikely to find those violations here on the National Instrument provided forum. It is lightly moderated, with some negative comments about NI, LabVIEW, etc., existing on the forum. But it is moderated, so an obvious violation of that disclosure agreement probably wouldn't last long. Also the violator could very likely have their certification revoked as well. But the reasons for not leaking in other, non-NI, locations fall into a number of categories:

1) The trust issue that I may be hoping for in my youthful naivety

2) The question of how would the "leaker" benefit by revealing the answers to a current test, thereby diluting the value/worth of their own certification

3) Fear of reprecussions

I don't expect perfection in either myself, nor others, but I can hope that when people are given a choice of being honest or not, they choose honest.

[MengHuiHanTang]

Here we go. I found the problem, and it's on me. 

When I said in the first post 'CLD testleaks', what I meant is something like people quote CLAD questions here and asked for answers. For CLD test, I never expect the answer to the test assignment. There are probably millions of ways to solve the assignment any way, so why would you bother to steal other's answer? 

If you search for 'CLD' here, you would find that what people have talked about is confusing. Some said the real test is just like the sample tests; others complained that the real one is far more complicated, that's why there is an enhanced version of the traffic lights and car wash examples. 

All I wanted to ask in the first place was why those who have already taken the exam never discussed the real test assignment, it might be as confusing as some of the CLAD questions, it might be really complicate to finish in 4 hours, it might be "you can do so much better the second time". I am so surprised Mr. Monroe only eyed the negative side.

I wish people will always make the right choice too. I really do. However, whatever they choose, it is not something I can control. I would not rely on it either. 

It would be waste of time to continue on this post. 

[viScience]

Before I took my CLD I did a search to get info on what to expect beyond the practice exam.  I stumbled on a thread by jgcode that went into great detail about his approach to study for the exam and much information about what to expect.  I then understood that the CLD would be similar in core concept to the practice exam but would have considerably more detail in the requirements.  At this point I had all the information that could be afforded.  I then studied and practiced accordingly.  Upon receiving the test, I found that my anticipation matched well with what I was tasked to do.  I then proceeded to work my ass off for the next four hours right down to the wire.  I did pass, thankfully, and I give NI credit for coming up with a good challenge!

[LV_Pro]

And I apologize if I only saw the question in the negative sense, but with all the heated discussion in the news media about "leaks" ...

If you are planning on taking the CLD:

1) try and do your practice examples on the most current version of LabVIEW. This isn't because of any requirement to use the latest features, but there are frequently subtle (or not so subtle) changes in the look and feel of the LabVIEW programming environment, the palette layouts, etc. I had a friend take the exam at the same time I did and fail, despite his being a very good LabVIEW programmer, because the version he was familiar with had a totally different palette layout. You will have little enough time to complete the "assignment" without the delay and cognitive dissonance of a strange environment.

2) Become familiar with the current trends in documentation of vi's. This exam seeks partially to determine whether you are capable of producing supportable, documented, commented code. I suggest making a precommented template, with the VI documentation part filled out with dummy info so that you can just change the vi name, etc. Time is critical during the test, but documented code is generally one sign of a better programmer.

3) become aware of the current trends in coding style, i.e.. State machines are generally good, sequence structures are generally viewed as not so much.

4) Code, code, code. And when coding, be neat. Wire with straight lines if possible, don't wire under other structures, etc. Neatness does count!!!

Specific examples presented from past exams mostly show you the level of complexity to expect, car wash, traffic lights, elevators. They show that the problem will most likely have a set of interacting events.

The program completely working is only a part of the grade, the other aspects are deemed important too.