03-01-2012 07:30 PM
Hello everyone,
I have implemented the LMA succesfully in my thesis and calculated the necessary uncertanities using the method descrobe by Jim and Altenbach in another posts. Jim the DSP guy also showed using NIST standards that the multiplication of the final covariance matrix with the MSE provides good estimates of the standard deviations. I wanted to reference this in my thesis and was wondering if there is any report or published paper someone has done showing this.
Thanks,
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03-02-2012 05:54 PM - edited 03-02-2012 05:55 PM
We do have a document on how ni uses them in our LabVIEW functions but I don't believe we have a report on it. It seems like you've found some good resources who understand the idea enough. It may be more beneficial to message them directly. This is all I could find on the topic that we publish and it is on the two methods we use. This may not be the best forum to post this in as this is mainly geared toward LabVIEW programming.
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/bacf6fdf1b40993686256cc300657ba4?OpenDocument
http://ae.natinst.com/public.nsf/webPreview/A73F4DA042356BBE862569F50053ABA1?OpenDocument
http://ae.natinst.com/public.nsf/webPreview/DCC01DFC8FC38C5686257118006D35F6?OpenDocument
Good luck on your thesis.
03-02-2012 06:46 PM
03-03-2012 04:45 AM - edited 03-03-2012 04:46 AM
Thank you very much Kyle, the two last links are broken as pointed by Altenbach.
Altenbach, I will go through Press et al again, thanks for the direction.
Altenbach, If there is any other discussion related to NI's LMA and error estimates I hope you wont mind a message from me directly to you :).
regards,
03-03-2012 11:37 AM
I am sure there are other disucssion, but since you did not give a link to the thread you are discussing, we don't have a reference to define "other". 😄
I think you were talking about this discussion. There is mention of Bevington's book, but I don't have a copy at hand at the moment. (I think there might be one in the lab).
03-04-2012 01:33 AM
Thanks Altenbach. Understood it well. The use of MSE is needed when the weighting used in the square of the differences during chi minimization is unknown. If they are assumed to be equal then weighting is not applied, hence NI's default values of 1 do not make any effect on the chi minimization (and is a smart default since it affects nothing). However to gather information on the confidence intervals, the covariance needs to be adjusted with MSE provided that the degrees of freedom are high. This is because the covariance matrix in this case is C = (Jt*J)^-1. Thought I'll share my understanding in case someone else looks for similar answers. A great reference also is the text by Menke, 1989. Geophysical Data Analysis: Discrete Inverse Theory. It covers these concepts very well.
regards,
03-05-2012 08:09 AM
Sorry about that here is the fixed link. The last one was an edited version of the document but I didn't find any changes to it.
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/A73F4DA042356BBE862569F50053ABA1
03-05-2012 12:42 PM
That reference is for HiQ, not LabVIEW and also does not address the estimation of the error of the paramter estimates.
03-05-2012 12:47 PM
Ultimately, I would like to collect all this in my Nonlinear Fitting community group. Your question is actually listed in the advanced topics of my charter document, but I did not get around writing something up yet.
It clearly needs to link and extended discussion of the above quoted discussion. One of these days......