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USB 6225 - Ghosting issue

Hello all,

I've begun using the NI 6225 DAQ (USB) a couple of weeks ago, and noticed some peculiar ghosting issues.

I'm using my DAQ to measure roughly 50 single ended analog signals.

I'm attempting this through Labview, using the DAQ assistant. All my inputs are configured as NRSE (non referenced single ended).

 

 

Scenario 1:

I measure 8 analog inputs. One input is connected to a low impedance 5V source and the others are open circuited. The result is that I see 5V across all inputs. This sort of ghosting makes sense because the DAQ's internal capacitor in the analog input circuitry does not have a discharge path. 

Even if I remove the 5V source, I still see 5V across all inputs. This still makes sense because there is no discharge path.

 

The inputs are

AI 0 (AI 0+) --connected to 5V

AI 1 (AI 1+) --open circuit

 

...

AI 7 (AI 7+) --open circuit

 

Scenario 2:

Measuring 9 analog inputs. One of them is connected to a low impedance 5V source and the others are open circuited. The result is that I see 5V across all inputs. HOWEVER this time around, if I remove the 5V source, the inputs all read 0V.

 

The inputs are

AI 0 (AI 0+) --connected to 5V

AI 1 (AI 1+) --open circuit

 ...

AI 7 (AI 7+) --open circuit

AI 8 (AI 0- ) -- Notice that this channel is the negative differential input for differential measurements.

 

Does anyone understand what is going on with the DAQs internal circuitry that would make AI 8 alter the measurements in such a way?

 

Aside:

In my completed application, most channels will not be left open circuited. But it is a possible scenario, 

so I intend measure a grounded dummy signal after every 'real' measurment, to discharge the capacitor.

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add bias currents to your list 🙂 

 

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Henrik

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Hey BillyFromToronto,

 

In regards to your question on why different wiring configurations produce different results, the following article is very useful in understanding the difference in the two scenarios internally.

Field Wiring and Noise Considerations for Analog Signals

http://www.ni.com/white-paper/3344/en/

 

If you are concerned about the ghosting affecting your system, you can consult:

How Do I Eliminate Ghosting from My Measurements?

http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/73CB0FB296814E2286256FFD00028DDF

 

For further information on unexpected voltages, you can consult:

Troubleshooting Unexpected Voltages, Floating, or Crosstalk on Analog Input Channels

http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/B9BCDFD960C06B9186256A37007490CD

 

Thank you and have a great day!

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