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Three-phase circuit multisim

Hello out there. Can anyone show me how to construct a 3-phase circuit like this in Multisim? 
I have searched for serval topics on this forum and seen videos on youtube, but I have not been able to find anything useful. 

It would be a huge help. 

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-так ,если правильно понял...

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Hi ColdKurd and tipa,

 

 

These should be clarified, from the sketch

 

  • R1 is from L1 to neutral (N)
  • R2 is from L3 to neutral (N), not from L2 to neutral (N)
  • R3 is from L1 to L3, not from L3 to neutral (N)

 

 

Best regards,

G. Goodwin

 

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-согласен, хотя в данном случае это не принципиально. Перекоса фаз нет и все условия абсолютно идентичны...

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Specifications must be followed. The circuit that you created and what was demanded from the specification may not be the same.

 

The difference might be big and important. The magnitude of voltages across each of the loads are the same. However, this is a three-phase AC circuit, you cannot simply ignore that the phases on the three loads may not be the same if you follow the specifications. Moreover, the current supplied by the three phases of the source might not be the same, you can try to probe to be sure.

 

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-и опять я согласен с вами. Поскольку вы тащите меня в дебри, то предупрежу вас: я слишком тесно общался с дизель-генераторами от 1 квт до 500 квт. Монтировал, настраивал, обкатывал, гонял в разных сочетаниях и под разными перегрузками, имитировал обрывы, замыкания, встречные напряжения (в линии 760 в выскакивало), обрыв нуля, когда свистопляска по фазам  начиналась, с изолированной нейтралью (к причалам атомных подлодок). То же самое с комплектными трансформаторными подстанциями 10/0, 4 кВ. Да, фазы A,B,C путать нельзя.
А вот вы ответьте мне на загадку: равносильно-ли такое подключение?(у меня не было нужного сечения кабеля, поэтому сделал замену). И чем чревата такая замена?

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-а как бы вы сделали?

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-прошу прощения, Гудвин! У нас говорят:"из-за трёх сосен леса не увидел". Задача задана именно на неравномерную нагрузку по фазам. Сделаем анализ перекосов.

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-извиняюсь за свою невнимательность при слизывании схемы. При неравномерной нагрузке по фазам (перекос) в нулевом проводе появляется ток. А в случае обрыва нейтрали на "земле" появляется опасное для жизни напряжение (133 в)

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Hi tipa,

 

 

I am sincerely accepting your apology, pardon me too if I was not able to send the message to you much earlier. I just got busy with important matters and I can't check the updates in this forum.

 

 

Best regards,

G. Goodwin

 

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This portion is for any reader who might get interested in investigating or reviewing polyphase (especially, three-phase) AC circuits.

 

I reviewed my previous reply and found that there is a sentence which can convey an erroneous thought about the characteristics of three-phase AC circuits. Although I asserted that the load currents and the phase currents from the source will not be the same as in the case of balanced grounded load, I mistakenly stated that the magnitude of voltages across each of the loads are the same. This is only true for R1 and R2 but not for R3. R1 and R2 are grounded while R3 is connected across L1 and L3 so the voltage impressed in this third resistor/load is not equal to that of the previous two.

 

To find the voltage across R3 we simply subtract the voltages from L1 and L3 but treating them as vectors. When doing this it is important to clarify the phase assignments for L1, L2, and L3. Although it can be safe to assume that L1 has 0° and L3 has 240° (-120°), this is not always the case. In fact I will show how to determine the voltage across R3 using phasors but with L3 chosen as the convenient reference then impose the angular displacement of 120° to L1. The phasor diagram below shows VL1 as a blue phasor displaced at 120° and VL3 as a green phasor used as a reference. VR3, the voltage across R3, is the red resultant phasor forming the longer diagonal of the rhombus in second quadrant.

 

Three-phase circuit multisim by ColdKurd, phasor diagram.png

 

By inspection, with the aid of the phase angle of VL1, VR3 is inclined 30° with respect to the horizontal axis. VR3's phasor divides the rhombus into two congruent isosceles triangles, from any of these two triangles, the magnitude of VR3 can be determined

 

          sin 120°

│ VR3 │ = ────────── ∙ │ VL │

          sin  30°

 

where:

 

VL = VL1 = VL2 = VL3

 

Simplifying

 

          sin 60°

│ VR3 │ = ───────── ∙ │ VL │

          sin 30°

 

          (√3) / 2

│ VR3 │ = ────────── ∙ │ VL │

            1 / 2

 

│ VR3 │ = (√3) ∙ │ VL │

 

 

So │ VR3 │is larger than the magnitude of the line voltage by a factor of √3. From the previous phasor diagram, VR3 is displaced 30° from VL1 and 150° from VL3.

 

Creating circuits and conducting simulation runs will help verify the results above. The circuit shown below uses three single-phase AC sources but connected to form a three-phase Y source. The magnitude is 100 V(rms) but can be easily scaled to a desired voltage. It is important to pay attention to the phase sequence, especially, when comparing to other reference materials. V3 is at 0° while V1 is displaced 120°. This will facilitate the comparison to the phasor diagram shown previously.

 

Three-phase circuit multisim for ColdKurd (Three Y-Connected Sources)-schematic.png

 

 

The graph of the voltages and currents is below

 

Three-phase circuit multisim for ColdKurd (Three Y-Connected Sources)-Grapher.png

 

 

 

 

The other circuit below uses a single Three-Phase Y AC Source. It should be noted that it is Phase 2 that is placed at 0° here. The magnitude is 5.2173913043478260869565217391304 V(rms), which was obtained from 3 * 400/230 V.

 

Three-phase circuit multisim for ColdKurd (Single Y Source)-schematic.png

 

 

 

The graph of the voltages and currents is below

 

Three-phase circuit multisim for ColdKurd (Single Y Source)-Grapher.png

 

 

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