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frequency measurment with high accurecy

dear all,

 

 

I am looking to have pxi module can help me to get a frequency measurments with the following details:

 

  • Acurecy : 512.xxxxx Hz.
  • Channels: 4 signals

what you recomend me to use ? which PXI can do that for me?

 

 

thanks in advanced for your support and help....

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Hi, this is Paul with Applications Engineering at NI.


We are going to have to clarify your needs some more before being able to recommend an appropriate module.

 

The most important is whether your signals are Analog, Digital or a Counter?

 

Second most important, what are the expected frequency ranges of the signal you are trying to measure?

 

You listed the accuracy at 512Hz, does that mean you would like your measured frequency to be +/- 512Hz of the actual frequency?

 

If you can clarify your needs, we can try to help you further on the forums.  Your local account representative can also assist you in choosing the right product.

 

I would also recommend you check out our PXI page, and with the above requirements try to get an idea of the module you may be interested in:  www.ni.com/pxi/

 

Additionally, you may find the Modules section of our PXI Advisor helpful in sorting through our different options:  https://ohm.ni.com/advisors/pxi/pages/common/intro.xhtml

 

Let us know if we can assist you any further,

 

Regards,

 

Paul Davidson
National Instruments
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thanks Paul for your reply. see the below for more clarification:

 

I am trying to measure the following parameters for digital signal:

 

Vh (Min=2.4V, Max=3.3V)

VL (Min=0V, Max= 0.4V)

Frequency (Min=511.93548 Hz, Max=512.03225 Hz)

Duty Cycle (Min=40%, Max=60%)

 

 

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Hey there, it looks like the PXI-6509 (https://www.ni.com/en-us/support/model.pxi-6509.html) will meet your needs.  Keep in mind that you will also need to order a terminal block to connect your signals to, as well as as a cable in order to use this module, but all of this is layed out on the product page.  If you would like to find out more about this card, check out the user manual: https://www.ni.com/docs/en-US/bundle/pci-pxi-pcie-6509-user-guide-specs/resource/pci-pxi-pcie-6509-u...

 

Let us know if you have any further questions.

Paul Davidson
National Instruments
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Hey there, I need to correct my previous post.  Assuming you need an extremely high level of accuracy in the range you specified, the NI-6509 will not meet your needs.  Please give me some time to formulate a better explanation and,  recommendation, and I will post again shortly.

Paul Davidson
National Instruments
Product Owner - ni.com Chat
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Hi AEC ENGINEER,

 

0.00001 Hz accuracy on a ~512 Hz signal is a little shy of 20 ppb.

 

You should technically be able to get this order of accuracy with the PXI-6608, which is calibrated to 11 ppb (10 ppb tolerance to the measurement + 1 ppb measurement error), but be wary that the oscillator will drift over time (see user manual) and will need to be recalibrated to maintain the 20 ppb accuracy that you require.  The first year of normal use you can expect up to a 45 ppb drift in the timebase, but as the board ages the oscillator should drift less than this.  You can perform the calibration yourself if you happen to have a 0.75 ppb rubidium clock source handy, or you can work through NI to calibrate the board as necessary.

 

The 6608 has 8 counters, but you need to use a 2 counter method to get enough resolution (the maximum timebase on the 6608 is 80 MHz, so the measurement error from the standard 1 counter method would be higher than your requirement).  The "Large Range 2 Counter Method" is what you will want, and you will need to set the divisor high enough (1024 should work, and would give you an update every 2 seconds).  Luckily, the 8 counters on the 6608 gives exactly enough counters for your 4 input signals when using the 2 counter method.

 

 

If you have a clock source that can drive the chassis backplane 10 MHz clock to the degree of accuracy that you require, then 6602s can be used instead (they PLL to the backplane).  The 6608 is capable of driving the backplane clock, but you can also use the 6653, or if you're interested in PXIe the 6674T.  Either of the Timing/Synch modules have the same caveat as the 6608--they would require warm up and would need to be calibrated more frequently than the recommended 1 year interval to maintain the accuracy you are asking for. 

 

There are other factors like tolerance in the chassis power supply that could be a factor as well, but I think overall what you are asking is right on the threshhold of the aforementioned mentioned products (6608, or 6653/6674T + 6602) assuming they are properly warmed up and calibrated.  If you're on a PXIe chassis then X Series cards would be an option to replace the 6602 and would give you 4 counters per slot (but you have to give them the high-accuracy backplane clock from a timing/synch module to get the accuracy you require).  X Series cards have a sample-clocked frequency measurement that gives similar accuracy to the large range method but does not require 2 counters.

 

 

Best Regards,

John Passiak
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I got it...

 

thanks a lot for your support ....

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