PCIe 1477 / PCIe 1473r under Labview Realtime (Pharlab)

[JimPanse]

Hello experts,

I would like to use the frame grabber NI PCIe-1473R-LX110 or NI PCIe-1477 under Labview Real Time (Pharlab).

The documentation contains the following, among other Things:

https://download.ni.com/support/softlib/vision/Vision%20Acquisition%20Software/18.5/readme_VAS.html

NI-IMAQ I/O is driver software for controlling reconfigurable input/output (RIO) on image acquisition devices and real-time targets. The following hardware is supported by NI-IMAQ I/O:

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• NI PCIe-1473R
• NI PCIe-1473R-LX110
• NI PCIe-1477

This means that the frame grabbers NI PCIe-1473R-LX110 ,NI PCIe-1477
work under LabVIEW Realtime (Pharlab)?

Thank you very much for your help.

Jim

[JimPanse]

The statement of NI (Munich) is now (after the purchase) that the frame grabber PCIe 1477 should not work under Labview Realtime.

I also had the impression that NI was not really interested in solving the problem. For those, Labview Realtime is an obsolete product.

The question to NI (Munich) whether the frame grabber PCIe 1473r works under Labview Realtime has not been answered until today.

The question remains.

Should the frame grabbers work under LabVIEW Realtime according to the specification?

A nice week start

Jim

[hoffmanna]

Hello Jim,

thanks for your post. Please be advised that LabVIEW Real-Time module is not an obsolete product and that NI will continue to develop and support it in the future. LabVIEW Real-Time supports Real Time targets with Pharlap, VxWorks and RT-Linux Operating systems. The Pharlap OS is supported by NI with some restrictions on NI-Hardware drivers. 

With respect to the Frame grabbers you mention in your post, I would like to point out that the two devices have significant differences. For example, the PCIe-1477 is using a Kintex-7 325T FPGA which brings - depending on your application - up to factor 8 more space than the PCI-1473R with the Virtex-5 LX110. They also differ in the availability of Digital I/Os (for Triggering and Serial Communication) and in the Camera-Link Specification.  PCIe-1477 for example offers 80-bit Extended-Full High-Throughput translating to more than 800MB/s. Throughput requirements are an important factor in selecting the right hardware for your application.

Speaking about Requirements can you elaborate on your application?

What are the requirements that lead to the decision to use a Real Time System?

Any FPGA code you might already have needs to be recompiled in order to run on another target.

If you already have FPGA code, we recommend simulating the new FPGA target in your LabVIEW project and recompile the FPGA code to see if it fits on the target.

[JimPanse]

Hello, hoffmanna,

thank you for your answer.

According to NI, Labview Realtime (Pharlab) is no longer being developed. 
The document suggests that the development was stoped around 2014.
https://www.ni.com/en/support/documentation/supplemental/08/requirements-for-desktop-pcs-as-phar-lap...

Maybe Labview Realtime Linux for Dektop hardware will come sometime. But that is written in the stars. There should be a PXI controller for Labview Realtime Linux now.

My question remains unanswered:

Do the Framegabber NI PCIe-1473R, NI PCIe-1473R-LX110 or NI PCIe-1477 work under LabVIEW Realtime (Pharlab)?

[hoffmanna]

Hello Jim,

as mentioned the cards are mainly different. Knowing your application and requirements is necessary for choosing the right one. I recommend to get in contact with our sales department for further recommendations.

It seems like the supported OS is the one mandatory requirement for your application. Please check the device specification for information on this. I linked the according documents below and made screenshots of the relevant passages.

PCIe-1473R-LX110: https://www.ni.com/docs/en-US/bundle/374200a/resource/374200a.pdf

Under "Required Components" on page 1 you find:

PCIe-1473R: https://www.ni.com/docs/en-US/bundle/373221b/resource/373221b.pdf

Under "Required Components" on page 1 you find:

PCIe-1477: https://www.ni.com/docs/en-US/bundle/pcie-1477-getting-started/page/gsg_purpose.html

Under "What to Use" on page 4 you find:

[JimPanse]

Hello, hoffmanna,

Thank you for your message.

What does the following statement mean:

http://download.ni.com/support/softlib//vision/Vision Acquisition Software/18.5/readme_VAS.html
 
NI-IMAQ I/O is driver software for controlling reconfigurable input/output (RIO) on image acquisition devices and real-time targets. The following hardware is supported by NI-IMAQ I/O:
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NI PCIe-1473R
NI PCIe-1473R-LX110
NI PCIe-1477
???

And according to my NI representative, Labview Realtime (Pharlab) is a discontinued product.

This document also confirms this

https://www.ni.com/en/support/documentation/supplemental/08/requirements-for-desktop-pcs-as-phar-lap...

Where does your information come from that it is not so?

Greetings, Jim