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@paul_cardinale wrote:

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Sure, but then who is using the IDE to troubleshoot on the production line?

 


An engineer, remoting in to a factory on the other side of the world.

 



Ah... My company would never allow anything like that to happen, our ATE's are never allowed to connect to the internet for any reason. 

 

Yes, they have flown an Engineer to our subcontractors in China to fix ATE issues more than once.

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I know of semiconductor giants with a similar policy, no remoting into an ATE.

 

All ATEs on a network without internet access, moreover, you can't even remote in from a different part of the factory, this is to avoid any accidents, you run some test with high voltage/current unknowingly and something on the test setup catches fire and if there is none nearby to put it off immediately, things will escalate too quick.

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Going back to the original question- the optimist in me says that a subscription model means more revenue for NI (since they're charging EVERYONE that uses LV) as well as more predictable revenue, meaning they can plan their development out better. This means they can commit more funding towards feature improvements and longer term projects. This might also mean more of a continual upgrade path more akin to Office and better inter-version compatibility. Tons of people right now are required to stay in a specific version, since upgrading once a year breaks backward compatibility and introduces new bugs. I myself feel pretty up to date running LV2020. 2021 had very few exciting new features, and it wasn't worth the hassle to upgrade everything in our (small) office. I can't imagine the hassle of upgrading everyone in a large facility.

 

If the SaaS model means that there are fewer version year breaking changes I'd be  happy, but I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully this is the beginning of the shift onto what NXG was supposed to be, like some significant IDE and GUI modernization.

 

Again, putting on my optimist hat- I'm hoping that, since 2021 had very few major improvements and since their NXG team isn't working on NXG anymore, they're spooling up to release a very large LV 20xx update to roll in some nice new IDE features and get away from year-specific versioning. With a more stable software base and more revenue, maybe they can make some big leaps forward, growing their user base, getting more users, then lowering the cost.

 

My realist hat just says they canned NXG and went to SAS just because NXG was really expensive and they could make more money by locking people in. 😕

 

I'd love to see some kind of roadmap. They had one for NXG that showed what they'd like to do year by year so we could at least look forward to new features. I haven't seen one of those for LV.

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@BertMcMahan wrote:

My realist hat just says they canned NXG and went to SAS just because NXG was really expensive and they could make more money by locking people in. 😕

 

I'd love to see some kind of roadmap. They had one for NXG that showed what they'd like to do year by year so we could at least look forward to new features. I haven't seen one of those for LV.


The difficulty with LabVIEW is that the product is distributed as an installer or EXE, and the development environment cannot be updated for modifications after distribution.

This is not the case with a subscription model such as Azure, so you can always use the latest version.

 

In other words, the benefits of the subscription model for us developers are not yet apparent.

If there is a roadmap, I'd love to see it, and I'd like to properly understand the appeal points of the subscription model when alliances or contract development companies propose LabVIEW to their customers.

 

I want to work with LabVIEW, but my vision for the future is not good.

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@paul_cardinale wrote:

Of course there's the tremendous feature that if you let your subscription expire, your production lines go down.

My wild guess is that they've gone to SAS because they perceive it as a trendy way to make more money.

I view it as obnoxious; as abuse of customers (which I think is always a bad business practice).


I hope, please, that the guess is not true.

My LabVIEW-using friends love LabVIEW. I would like to believe that means they love NI.

 

I would like to know if NI has made any positive announcements about subscriptions for developer if I am missing something.

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@Tepig wrote:

@paul_cardinale wrote:

Of course there's the tremendous feature that if you let your subscription expire, your production lines go down.

My wild guess is that they've gone to SAS because they perceive it as a trendy way to make more money.

I view it as obnoxious; as abuse of customers (which I think is always a bad business practice).


I hope, please, that the guess is not true.

My LabVIEW-using friends love LabVIEW. I would like to believe that means they love NI.

 

I would like to know if NI has made any positive announcements about subscriptions for developer if I am missing something.


Yeah, they're positive they'll make fistfuls of money.

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@crossrulz wrote:

@paul_cardinale wrote:

Of course there's the tremendous feature that if you let your subscription expire, your production lines go down.


Only if you are running from the IDE, which you really should not be doing.


Our own "production line" produces software and therefore uses the IDE. I have heard of at least a couple of cases where people couldn't work on their code because their subscription expired when they thought it would be renewed. I certainly don't want to find myself in that position. I am not a fan of the subscription-only model.


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@BertMcMahan wrote:

Again, putting on my optimist hat- I'm hoping that, since 2021 had very few major improvements and since their NXG team isn't working on NXG anymore, they're spooling up to release a very large LV 20xx update to roll in some nice new IDE features and get away from year-specific versioning. With a more stable software base and more revenue, maybe they can make some big leaps forward, growing their user base, getting more users, then lowering the cost.

 

My realist hat just says they canned NXG and went to SAS just because NXG was really expensive and they could make more money by locking people in. 😕

I outgrew my optimist hat a long time ago and even before that it kept getting chewed up by dogs.  Still have my realist hat though.

 

The subscription model's just a way to realize the sales benefit of lock-in.

Gillette did it -- make razors cheap, then sell people blades perpetually

Kodak did it -- make cameras cheap, then sell people film perpetually

HP did it -- make inkjet printers cheap, then sell people overpriced ink perpetually

 

The list goes on.  With tangible products, you try to get the "consuming engine" into people's hands and then you keep selling them the consumable part.   With software subscriptions, you're selling them the ability to continue to access their prior work and maintain continuity.  Different in its way, but still all about lock-in.

 

It might turn out that some of the extra revenue goes into funding things that end up providing benefits to us users.  But don't kid yourself -- that's neither the motivation nor the main goal.

 

One more "not a fan", NI.

 

 

-Kevin P

ALERT! LabVIEW's subscription-only policy came to an end (finally!). Unfortunately, pricing favors the captured and committed over new adopters -- so tread carefully.
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@Kevin_Price wrote:

HP did it -- make inkjet printers cheap, then sell people overpriced ink perpetually

 


I bypass this by buying a new cheap printer and salvaging the old one for parts for my side projects. Nice little motors and cogs in there.

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@Kevin_Price wrote:

@BertMcMahan wrote:

Again, putting on my optimist hat- I'm hoping that, since 2021 had very few major improvements and since their NXG team isn't working on NXG anymore, they're spooling up to release a very large LV 20xx update to roll in some nice new IDE features and get away from year-specific versioning. With a more stable software base and more revenue, maybe they can make some big leaps forward, growing their user base, getting more users, then lowering the cost.

 

My realist hat just says they canned NXG and went to SAS just because NXG was really expensive and they could make more money by locking people in. 😕

I outgrew my optimist hat a long time ago and even before that it kept getting chewed up by dogs.  Still have my realist hat though.

 

The subscription model's just a way to realize the sales benefit of lock-in.

Gillette did it -- make razors cheap, then sell people blades perpetually

Kodak did it -- make cameras cheap, then sell people film perpetually

HP did it -- make inkjet printers cheap, then sell people overpriced ink perpetually

 

The list goes on.  With tangible products, you try to get the "consuming engine" into people's hands and then you keep selling them the consumable part.   With software subscriptions, you're selling them the ability to continue to access their prior work and maintain continuity.  Different in its way, but still all about lock-in.

 

It might turn out that some of the extra revenue goes into funding things that end up providing benefits to us users.  But don't kid yourself -- that's neither the motivation nor the main goal.

 

One more "not a fan", NI.

 

 

-Kevin P


Well, they did the "perpetual part".  Let's see if it ever becomes "cheap".

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