What makes a cluster unresizable?

[hunkel · Accepted solution]

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I have already re-created a new cluster and moved all the items into it.  The old one was still gorched, even when empty. 

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I have also run into this "feature". A quicker way instead of creating new clusters (if you have many) js to right click on the cluster control and select Advanced >> Customize..., then you make a dummy change so LabView asks if you want to replace the original control with the new one (you don't have to save it). Then it possible to resize the replaced cluster.

/H

[CoastalMaineBird]

That's a good thought.  It basically re-creates the thing automatically from scratch, but keeps all the contents and their positions, etc. 

It's too late for me now, but thanks for the tip. 

[CoastalMaineBird]

I ran into this AGAIN.  Another cluster that refused to resize, with no explanation.  It too was created long long ago.

This was too complicated to start over, so I used your trick and it works.

Thanks again. 

[Ben]

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CoastalMaineBird wrote:

I ran into this AGAIN.  Another cluster that refused to resize, with no explanation.  It too was created long long ago.

This was too complicated to start over, so I used your trick and it works.

Thanks again. 

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I am troubled by that report.

National Instruments Support - Please respond to this thread to confirm the problem discussed above has been reported to R&D. If yes, include the CAR number, if not, an explanation (e.g. being investigated, but not reported yet). If you need additional information to proceed, please indicate what is needed.

Thank you,

Ben

[CoastalMaineBird]

FWIW, I have seen it 3-4 more times since the above post.

In all cases, it is a TYPEDEF cluster that hasn't been changed since 7.0 or 7.1 (I'm not sure which).

It's been SAVED with each upgrade, but not edited.

It was reported to Tech Support (Reference#7240091).  Here is a quote:

 When I take your control and open it in LabVIEW 7.0, 7.1, 8.0, 8.2, 8.5 and
8.6, the resizing handles stop appearing at version 8.0. I then tried to
create an identical control in LabVIEW 7.0 with the same properties and I
am still able to resize the cluster in version 8.6. I imagine you built
this a number of years ago but do you remember changing any settings that
was not included with the properties of the cluster?

There were no such settings that I changed.  The last message was this:

I'll definitely pass this along to the R&D department.

It's not EVERY typedef that's like that.  I tried some others created around the same time, similarly unedited for years, and they worked OK.

I can do the CUSTOMIZE trick, where I CUSTOMIZE it, move the whole thing even one pixel, it asks if I want to replace the original, I do, and everything is OK.

[SMeserve]

Hi Coastal,

This was reported to R&D (# 171318) for further investigation. For the time being, you have two workarounds for this issue.  Because we could not reproduce this issue independently, it is difficult to say whether this will result in any action. Thanks for the feedback!

[CoastalMaineBird]

Because we could not reproduce this issue independently,

I'm not sure what you mean by that, as the quote from the tech support person above clearly indicates that she DID reproduce it:

When I take your control and open it in LabVIEW 7.0, 7.1, 8.0, 8.2, 8.5 and
8.6, the resizing handles stop appearing at version 8.0.

Although she was unable to start from scratch and generate the problem, she did see it in the one I submitted.

[SMeserve]

Hi Coastal,

By "independently", I do mean without your code.  I did see your code creating the issue, but I have not been able to create my own cluster that does this.

[CoastalMaineBird]

I have not been able to create my own cluster that does this.

It takes a special talent, I guess.<p>

;->

[CoastalMaineBird]

Well, now I'm up against the same wall, only I cannot CUSTOMIZE it.

The handles refuse to appear.

If I try the RESIZE menu, it simply says "You cannot resize the object in this dimension" (for both width and height).

The ADVANCED / CUSTOMIZE menu item is grayed out.

The EDIT / CUSTOMIZE CONTROL menu item is grayed out.

I can turn on AUTOSIZING, and the cluster expands to uncover my hidden items.

I can make my edits, but I still have no handles, and no RESIZE options, so I cannot hide them again.

If I COPY the cluster into a new CTL,  the new one has the same problem.

If I CUT the cluster from the original CTL and then PASTE it back, the problem is still there.

If I AUTOSIZE the cluster, select all the contents, COPY them, DESTROY the containing cluster, CREATE a new containing cluster, and PASTE the contents, then the new cluster acts normally (is re-sizeable).

No good reason I should have to go thru all that, though.