07-17-2012 04:55 AM - edited 07-17-2012 04:57 AM
hello everyone!
I have a test project that i must measure something in a high pressure and full of gaseous refrigerant .(the pressure is about 3MPa,the refrigerant is R290(propane)or R134a),
Can i use those hardware to measure in that condition?
list: CDAQ-9178\NI9222\NI9205\NI9213\NI9401
07-17-2012 05:01 AM
and the temperature is about 30℃.
07-19-2012 02:22 PM
...it would be nice to know what you are trying to measure! Volts, amps, speed, RPM, light intensity, time, etc.???
07-20-2012 03:11 AM
We try to measure a hermetic compressor which used for air condition,the pressure 、temperature、speed of motor and the displacement of the valve.
08-16-2012 03:40 PM - edited 08-16-2012 03:41 PM
Each measurement will need some way to send the signal through the pressure vessel wall...
Pressure, obviously this will require a pressure transducer of some sort and a port to measure said pressure.
Temp, depending on what type of sensor you're using will depend on what type of penetration you'll need in the housing and how you'd measure it.
Motor speed, also will depend on how you want to measure it. I'd consider using some kind of inductive pickup on a rotating part. (hall effect sensor or some such) if available. If not, can you measure directly?
Valve displacement. What are you needing to measure... acutal displacement or just whether it's open or not?
Lots of things to consider.
Chad
08-21-2012 05:54 AM
thanks very much!
Actually we used some sensors (like:ICP pressure sensors T thermocouple and so on)to measure. But we used to much sensors,we must use many
Sealing terminals(about 7 ),so we want use a NI 9178,mount it in the shell which full of Refrigerant R290, that we can only use two Sealing terminals,one for power supply (220V~50Hz) other for date transfer(USB2.0). But we aren‘t sure NI 9178 can work in that condition.
NI 9222 for pressure and Valve displacement.
NI 9411 for Motor speed
NI 9213 for Temp.
08-21-2012 10:52 AM
Ah! Ok, then that is a question for NI about their hardware. I would probably be less worried about the pressure and the refrigerant than I would be about the oil used in the system. If it was an old system that used mineral oil for lubrication then I'd be inclined to say go for it, but I don't know how the new oils would react with circuit boards and such. Now if you could isolate the unit above and away from the actual moving parts, say in another pressurized vessel with the wires running through filters to keep the oil out, but still connected by a tube to run the cables through to get to what you want to measure... again, I wouldn't see a problem with trying that. ...if you're limited on penetrations, then you might want to transmit the data wirelessly. I'm thinking an Arduino talking to the sensors and transmitting via xBee to a computer logging the data. This also might have limitations depending on how much data you're wanting to send. Anyway, I'm curious as to how it turns out! Keep us informed! 🙂
Good luck!
Chad
08-22-2012 01:06 AM
we want to try like waht you said : in another pressurized vessel with the wires running through filters to keep the oil out, but still connected by a tube to run the cables through to get to what you want to measure. but It a big risk for our to try,if the cards broken our boss will fire me,so i want to acquire the information form NI.
I'm form china and my english is very poor ,can you understand? thanks