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Is there a fix for the system crash that uninstalling NI software is causing?

This is listed under PXI because the software that caused the problem this time was called "NI PXI Platform Services for Windows 2.3.1".

 

Several years ago I first reported a problem with un-installing VISA from my PC.  The VISA version at that time was 4.2, but I later confirmed that the problem was present on versions 4.1 and 4.0 as well.  To date I am aware of at least 7 PC and/or laptop hard drives that have been crashed attempting to un-install NI software, most of the cases were with NI-VISA alone.

 

This latest incident was when I was attempting to uninstall ALL VISA related software so that I could re-install everything in a specific sequence.  I am trying to use NI-VISA along with Agilent VISA, NI TestStand, NI_VXI and IVI.  I had missed the step of installing the NI-IVI Compliance Package (I assumed that this would have been incorporated into the NI Installation software by now, since it is required to make NI software compliant with IVI, but I found that I was wrong).

 

A collegue of mine informed me that he had successfully removed NI-VISA from one of his systems (after he had crashed a previous system) by removing only one entry at a time.  I tried to perform the needed uninstalls this way, but when I attempted to remove something called "NI PXI Platform Services for Windows 2.3.1" (which I am certain I have NEVER used) my laptop failed to come back up.  Partway through the initialization of windows I get a blue screen, followed by a promt that tells me that Windowds failed to load, and gives me the options of reverting to the last known good state, Safe mode, etc (I'm sure you've seen the screen I'm talking about).

 

None of the options work.  The Laptop will ALWAYS re-cycle and come back to that same message.

 

Since I have personally seen this on four different systems, and have heard from collegues about at least three other instances, I am certain that this is not something I am doping wrong.  Also, since one of the instances I personally witnessed was on a "clean" system (nothing but the OS and NI software had been installed onto it) it is unlikely that any other applicaiton I am installing is causing the problem.

 

This MUST be something NI is aware of, since I have reported it myself, and it is not at all likely that the incidents I am telling you about are the only times this has happened.

 

My questions are:

 

1.) Do you have a way to fix a system once it is broken by this uninstall process?

2.) Do you know what exactly is causing this error to occur?

3.) Do you have a plan to fix your software so that I don't have to worry about losing yet another hard drive, and all of the data on it?

 

This software bug is a serious problem, and the data I have lost because of it is significant.  I have backups of most of my information, but there is always something that hasn't been covered that I end up losing because of these bugs.

 

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Steven,

 

I am sorry you have had series of such bad experience with our software. I am very concerned because we do test various upgrade, downgrade and uninstall scenarios before releasing our software, and something like this should have been caught.

 

I tried to reproduce your problem here and haven't been successful so far. The steps I have tried so far, based on your description, are:

1. On a clean XP system I installed NI-VISA 4.2.

2. Uninstalled all NI-VISA related software and reboot at the prompt. The machine came up back fine.

3. Removed the NI PXI Platform Services (and reboot again). The machine came back up fine.

 

I also tried this with our latest NI-VISA (4.5) and didn't have any problem there either.

 

To be of any help to you, I will need to be able to reproduce the problem. Was there any specific hardware present in the system? What type of machines have you seen this problem on? Does this always happen during uninstall or are there times when the uninstall is successful?  Was this always on Windows XP? I am trying to find as much information as possible to see if I can reproduce the problem here. Any information you feel might be relevant will help a lot. Let me know what you can remember.

 

Thanks,
Pankaj

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Pankaj,

 

I have had this happen to me twice on desktop PC's, and twice on my Laptop.  I believe my collegues have had this same problem occur on their desktop PC's, and I know for certain of one instance of a collegue having this occur on his laptop.

 

The first instances that I encoutered were when I tried the "National Instruments Software" selection in the Add/Remove programs listing in the Control panel.  I selected the "Remove" option with everything selected on both of the first two attempts, and in both cases the hard drive was incapacitated.  I believe one of these occurred when attempoting to uninstall the files that were installed with NI-VISA 4.1, and I am certain that one occurred with NI-VISA 4.2.  (See the attached screen capture for the panel I am referring to.)

 

After everything was uninstalled, I rebooted on the prompt, and the system came up with a momentary blue screen, followed by the message indicating that Windows failed to come up normally.  Any option that was selected (Safe Mode, Safe Mode with command prompt, last known good configuration, etc.) gave the same failure indication.  Attempts to read the hard drive from another device (one of those USB boxes you can install a drive in for an external hard drive) were unsuccessful as well.  Nothing on the disc is recoverable.

 

The very first attempt was on a PC I had been using for quite some time.  (The reason I was attempting to un-install the NI-VISA software was that I was trying to support a customer that was having some issues with our hardware using an older version of NI-VISA, and I was trying to reproduce his system configuration.)  I would have a difficult time with all of the specific details of what had been installed, but the second time was on a system that I had received from our IT manager.  It had the OS (WinXP) and Symantic Anti-virus installed, and had whatever initial settings were required for the PC to be network compatible.  I installed the NI-VISA and NI-VXI software on it, then attempted to un-install.  This was something of an experiment to see if the reason for the first crash was due to some compatibility issue.

 

I don't know about the specific configurations of the systems my collegues experienced this on, but I know they were all WinXP with the most current service packs installed.  All of our work stations are set for automatic updates, so again, it would be difficult to be specific about what the exact software settings were.

 

The latest instance of this occurred yesterday when I was trying to remove all of the VISA software from my system.  After the previous crash (about two months ago) I had installed some files in the wrong order, so my file paths were inconsistant with another system I regularly work on, and I wanted them to be the same.  One of my collegues told me that he had successfully removed NI-VISA from his laptop by removing only one entry at a time, then re-booting his system before removing the next entry.  I believe his attempt was to uninstall ONLY the NI-VISA files, not everything, so the reason he had success may have been due to the fact that he left the "NI PXI Platform Services for Windows" entry intact.

 

On my system, I had successfully removed all of the VISA specific entries, and TestStand and its associated entries.  When I removed "NI PXI Platform Services for Windows" the system failed to re-boot.  The laptop had been rebooted successfully after each removal prior to this.

 

I will address your questions as they relate to this latest instance of this problem:

 

1.) Was there any specific hardware present in the system?

A: This is a standard Dell Experion 1520 laptop, with no hardware added to it.  The only change from the original manufactured condition is that I recently replaced the hard drive after a recent crash due to uninstalling the NI software.

 

2.) What type of machines have you seen this problem on?

A: Twice now on this laptop (I had to replace the hard drive after the first instance, as it was left unrecoverable) and once each on two different PC's.  I know of one instance from a collegue that had this same problem on his laptop, and a couple of possible instances on other PC workstations.

 

3.) Does this always happen during uninstall or are there times when the uninstall is successful? 

A: It has happened every time I tried it.  The latest attempt did not fail until I attempted to remove the entry "NI PXI Platform Services for Windows".

 

4.) Was this always on Windows XP?

A: Yes.  There have been at least five instances of this that I am aware of (I believe there are at least two others, but I don't recall the specifics, or if I am merely mixing up a different issue, but these five are confirmed), on four seperate computers (two different desktop PC's, once on my collegues laptop, and twice on my laptop).  All were WinXP systems.

 

 

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I have had the same problem as described in the original post, twice at this point.  In both instances, I have attempted to uninstall NI software (specifically NI-VISA: v4.1 the first time and v4.4 the second time).

 

Both uninstalls that resulted in Windows XP failing to restart used the uninstaller found through "Add/Remove Programs" in the control panel.  I selected all components of NI software, clicked continue, clicked reboot now, and found myself with a non-functional computer.  I was forced to reinstall Windows the first time to get my system up and running.  I have no additional hardware installed in the system.

 

An intermediate uninstall of NI software, between the two crashes, did not result in this problem--which is a serious problem and a major time-sink.  I need a solution to this so that it doesn't happen again as I am in the middle of developing a custom test system that REQUIRES both NI and Agilent supported hardware.

 

Thoughts?  This must be a known issue.

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I just finished uninstalling NI-VISA 4.5 on my desktop with Windows XP and a ton of software without any problems.

 

Using the Add/Remove Programs app, I uninstalled each VISA component piece by piece and restarted my computer after each uninstall was finished.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Kshitij 

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Unfortunately this doesn not help.  It does not address the problem that I described--I did not uninstall the components piece by piece, but selected them all and uninstalled all of them.  This is one of the options you can use.  Also, when doing the same thing at the intermediate uninstallation that I described, the system succeeded in restarting with no problems.

 

If this is an intermittent problem that can but doesn't always happen when uninstalling all components at once, then this method of uninstallation should NOT be an option.

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