Random Posts (An alternate to side discussions)

[Ben]

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@altenbach wrote:

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@Ben wrote:

My belief is elsewhere but Christian Altenbach has declared discussion of religions as "off limits".

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I don't recall. Do you have a link?

Science is not religion and the scientific principle is well defined. I tend to believe scientists that devote their life to a specific area more than any random politician or conspiracy theorist.

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In this post Christian posted "add religion"

Speaking only for myself, climate theory is a form of religion that requires believe what people tell me and dismiss my belief that there is a creator that controls all aspects of weather.

So I think climate should be out of bounds in the same way that faith in a creator is off limits.

Just my 2 cents,

Ben

[Blokk]

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@LV_Pro wrote:

They are not, technically, mice, that is only the physical representation they have used in this dimension, while testing us by running through our mazes and noting our reactions.

Happy first day of summer in the Northern Hemisphere, sadly it also represents the longest day of the year, and the beginning of the downhill slide until Winter devours the Sun.

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Yes, my bad! My friends always fix me: "András, cite the classics only strictly!" 😄

[altenbach]

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@Ben wrote:
Speaking only for myself, climate theory is a form of religion that requires believe what people tell me and dismiss my belief that there is a creator that controls all aspects of weather.

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(I don't understand religion, but there is no need to dismiss anything. He is testing us to see if we are worthy to continue to occupy this planet. :D)

All raw climate data is available to anyone, and given sufficient computing power, anyone can run his own models in their basement. It never starts with the conclusion. Science is never certain. We do have big data here and mining for correlations is mathematically well defined. I don't think there is a place for religious arguments.

Yes, great minds in the past have often been misunderstood by their peers. One fallacy is that some people think that this proves that the ones on the fringe are the great minds. The truth is that nearly all with radically different views turned out to be nutcases. 😄

[Blokk]

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@Ben wrote:

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@altenbach wrote:

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@Ben wrote:

My belief is elsewhere but Christian Altenbach has declared discussion of religions as "off limits".

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I don't recall. Do you have a link?

Science is not religion and the scientific principle is well defined. I tend to believe scientists that devote their life to a specific area more than any random politician or conspiracy theorist.

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In this post Christian posted "add religion"

Speaking only for myself, climate theory is a form of religion that requires believe what people tell me and dismiss my belief that there is a creator that controls all aspects of weather.

So I think climate should be out of bounds in the same way that faith in a creator is off limits.

Just my 2 cents,

Ben

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I totally understand people what you say, but being "politically correct" will not disable us to address present and future global problems? I have a strong fear of that. And this is just my general opinion, and not specifically about what and what not we discuss in this forum, and not in any way against anyone here!

Hmm, I would quote what my Grandfather liked to cite often (he believed in God): "God helps those who help themselves". I translate this in a way, that if I do not fix the engine of my airplane, God will not save me, I will fall. The question is that, is the climate system like an airplane?

But, I will stay totally OK without climate change topics, I have the feeling there are still plenty others 🙂

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, just a little extra from me 🙂

Interesting thing about the scientific community dealing with large scale climate simulations / predictions, etc:

Once I read an appeal/writing addressed toward such conferences. They encouraged the scientists that they should really avoid discussing "solar radiation management" topics in these conferences, because it would give the "easy feeling" to the public, and would decrease our recent efforts to fight pollution on our Earth. Hmm, i cannot find the source right now... Anyway, here is some wiki about the technology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_management

The scary about this method is that, many say that it would work very effectively! But the strong debate is about how controllable is it? If we push a system with large inertia too much...ice age? 😄

[Hooovahh]

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@Ben wrote:

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Speaking only for myself, climate theory is a form of religion that requires believe what people tell me and dismiss my belief that there is a creator that controls all aspects of weather. 

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I feel like this statement could go too far, (again being as civil as possible not attacking anyone, not dismissing anyone).  But the problem I see with that statement is that practically all information relies on information that I get from other sources and that require believing the source is valid.  If I plug in a DMM into a batter and it states 12V, is that really 12V?  Well I need to have faith in the meter and believe it is valid.  Was it calibrated?  Well I have a sticker saying it was calibrated but I really need to have faith in the calibration lab that they actually did the calibration.  Was the equipment used in the calibration adequate?  Well I need to have faith in the calibration company that they have adequate calibration equipment, and that it is actually calibrated.  My only point is all information I get, from sensors, to people, is given, and I then need to make decisions and opinions based on this information that maybe from a source that does, or does not have a private agenda.  Of course some scientific principals mean independent verification (like having two meters that agree) but there could be issues with that like both meters are broken in the same way, or both calibrated from faulty equipment.  

Anyway, Ben you keep doing you.  We don't see eye to eye on several topics, but I don't mind standing by your side.

[Ben]

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@altenbach wrote:

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@Ben wrote:
Speaking only for myself, climate theory is a form of religion that requires believe what people tell me and dismiss my belief that there is a creator that controls all aspects of weather.

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(I don't understand religion, but there is no need to dismiss anything. He is testing us to see if we are worthy to continue to occupy this planet. :D)

... I don't think there is a place for religious arguments.

Yes, great minds in the past have often been misunderstood by their peers. One fallacy is that some people think that this proves that the ones on the fringe are the great minds. The truth is that nearly all with radically different views turned out to be nutcases. 😄

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I am replying as a public service since I feel there are many that do not get a chance to hear the ramblings of a "Nutcase" like myself.

"Testing us..." is a form of religion that believes that there is "social salvation" in that humans are judged as a group which is direct conflict with those that believe in individual salvation.

I am not trying to win an argument or prove any point other than there are Nutcases like myself that see climate theory as a form of religion.

 So climate theory should be in the same category as religion and politics. We all have our own opinions and we should respect the reality that we do not all share the same opinion.

Thank you,

Ben

[Blokk]

Hmm, or just lets all agree in that, in general, polluting our Earth is BAD, independent of the results 🙂 And if we can do about it, we should do our best 🙂

[altenbach]

The thing is that opinions should not be limited to one bit. (Good/evil, black/white, etc.) They should be at least I16 datatype. 😄

[Blokk]

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@altenbach wrote:

The thing is that opinions should not be limited to one bit. (Good/evil, black/white, etc.) They should be at least I16 datatype. 😄

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Well, LabVIEW Boolean data type is 8 bits. NOW I understand why! 😄

[Ben]

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@Hooovahh wrote:

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@Ben wrote:

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Speaking only for myself, climate theory is a form of religion that requires believe what people tell me and dismiss my belief that there is a creator that controls all aspects of weather. 

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I feel like this statement could go too far, (again being as civil as possible not attacking anyone, not dismissing anyone).  But the problem I see with that statement is that practically all information relies on information that I get from other sources and that require believing the source is valid.  If I plug in a DMM into a batter and it states 12V, is that really 12V?  Well I need to have faith in the meter and believe it is valid.  Was it calibrated?  Well I have a sticker saying it was calibrated but I really need to have faith in the calibration lab that they actually did the calibration.  Was the equipment used in the calibration adequate?  Well I need to have faith in the calibration company that they have adequate calibration equipment, and that it is actually calibrated.  My only point is all information I get, from sensors, to people, is given, and I then need to make decisions and opinions based on this information that maybe from a source that does, or does not have a private agenda.  Of course some scientific principals mean independent verification (like having two meters that agree) but there could be issues with that like both meters are broken in the same way, or both calibrated from faulty equipment.  

Anyway, Ben you keep doing you.  We don't see eye to eye on several topics, but I don't mind standing by your side.

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Thank you. I will.

Re: "faith in the calibration lab that they actually did the calibration."

See here were a very similar question was asked a very long time ago.

Talking with others that do not share all of our beliefs and view points is healthy in the sense it allows us to decide what is that we believe and why do we believe it. There an old expression "Preaching to the choir" that makes the point that repeating what we all believe in common does no one any good.

Still doing what I can to help!

Ben