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It would help a lot if we have an option called pause on first Error. So that the VI at the node/primitive that generates the error and highlights that node so that user decides to continue or abort.

The array "Startup/Always Included" carries these Vi's into pre/post build action VI's.

The order of the vi's in this array depends on the order they have been added to/created in the project when, not the order they can be seen on the project window itself.

Here's the project window:

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Here's the order within prebuild vi:

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The order is NOT the same. "startup" is the first but if you delete from the project and then re-add it, it will become the last.

 

I suggest that the order in pre/post build VI should be:

first - startup.vi

following: always included vi's in the same order they appear in the project window.

 

Also, the always included list should have a 'mechanism' to change the order of the vi's in the list - be it up/down arrow buttons on the side that would move the selected vi or a similar command in a "right click" drop down menu.

 

In this way, any pre/post build action that may involve any of these vi's can be clearly defined and remain stable during the lifetime of the project without running into the risk of getting the wrong vi to "work" on or having to edit the pre/post build vi to add or edit the vi's names every time there is a change in the startup/always included list.

 

I would like to be able to create executables that don’t require the runtime engine in LabVIEW. Perhaps a palette of basic functions that can compiled without the runtime engine and an option in the application builder for that. I routinely get executables from programmers that don’t require a runtime installation. I just put it on my desktop and it runs. It would be nice that if I get a request, I could create, build, and send them an exe in an email without worrying about runtime engine versions, transferring large installer files to them, etc.

LabVIEW  has a somewhat hidden feature built into the variant attributes functionality that easily allows the implementation of high performance associative arrays. As discussed elsewhere, it is implemented as a red-black tree.

 

I wonder if this functionality could be exposed with a more intuitive set of tools that does not require dummy variants and somewhat obscure VIs hidden deeply in the variant palette (who would ever look there!).

 

Also, the key is currently restricted to strings (Of course we can flatten anything to strings to make a "name" for a more generalized use of all this).

 

I imagine a set of associative array tools:

 

 

  • Create associative array (key datatype, element datatype)
  • insert key/element pair (replace if key exists)
  • lookup key (index key) to get element
  • read all keys
  • delete key/element
  • delete all keys/elements
  • dump associative array to disk
  • restore associative array from disk
  • destroy associative array
  • ... (I probably forgot a few more)
 
 
I am currently writing such a tool set as a high performance cache to avoid duplicate expensive calculations during fitting (Key: flattened input parameters, element: calculated array).
 
However, I cannot easily write it in a truly generalized way, just as a version targeted for my specific datatype. I've done some casual testing and the variant attribute implementation is crazy fast for lookup and insertion. Somebody at NI really did a fantastic job and it would be great to get more exposure for it.
 
Example performance: (Key size: 1200bytes, element size 4096: bytes, 10000 elements) 
insert: ~60 microseconds
random lookup: ~12 microseconds
(compare with a random lookup using linear search (search array): 10ms average. 1000x slower!)
 
Thanks! 

 

This is written as both an Idea and as a Community Nugget.

 

Did you know there exists a function that decreases code fragility when it comes to typecasting and type converting datatypes? It's called 'Coerce to Type', and I bet you've never heard of this function unless you have kept up with this conversation. Thanks to RandyP for creating that Idea which culminated in a 'public' release of the Coerce to Type function.

 

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Since that post, I have become aware of potential risks/bugs I had been proliferating in my coding style. First, I will briefly describe my understanding of the difference between typecasting and typeconverting in the context of LabVIEW. Next, I'll show a few use cases where this node increases code robustness. Finally, it's up to you to Kudos this Idea so we get Coerce to Type officially supported and in the palette!

 

Simply, "type converting" preserves the value of a wire, and "typecasting" preserves the raw bits that express that value on a wire. These two concepts are not interchangeable - they perform distinctly different data transfer functions (which is why they show up on two separate subpalettes: "Numeric>>Conversion" and "Numeric>>Data Manipulation"). Then there's this new function: Coerce to Type. I think of it as a Coerce-Cast combo. The data input is first Coerced to the datatype harvested from the top input, and then it is typecasted to that type.

 

Dynamic event registration is sensitive to the name on the wire, and for documentation's sake it has historically been important to typecast the event source ref to achieve a good name. Well, typecasting refs can get you into trouble (ask Ben), especially if you change the source control type while forgetting to update your "pretty name" ref constant.

 

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My next favorite example is when you need to coerce a numeric datatype into an enum. Sometimes it's impossible to control the source datatype of an integer, while it's desirable to typecast the value into an enum for self-documented syntax inside your app. 

 

For instance, take the "standard" integer datatype in LabVIEW - I32 - and cast it to an enum. You're going to get some unexpected results (assuming, you expected the *value* to be preserved). Consider the following scenario:

 

  1. You desire to typecast a plain integer '2' into an enum {Zero, One, Two, Three}, and after 45 minutes of debugging, realize "Typecasting" has hacked off 75% of the bits and clobbered the value. Drats!
  2. The enterprising engineer you are, you determine how to fix the problem with a deftly-placed "Coerce to U8". (This is one of the fragile errors I proliferated prior to learning about this node)
  3. Maniacal manager/customer comes along and says "I want that enum to count to 10k". Drats again. A datatype change from U8 to U16 for the typedef'd enum, and a lot of typing with the wretched enum editor. Finally, two hours into testing and wondering why the program doesn't work, you realize you also forgot to replace all of the Type Converts to U16 (this is the definition of fragile code: you change one thing, and another thing(s) breaks).
  4. Rockstar Programmer Epiphany: use Coerce to Type, bask in your robust code. You even enjoy data value preservation from floating point numbers.
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Finally, typecasting can generate mysterious failure modes at Run-Time, but Coerce to Type can catch errors at Design Time. This is especially helpful for references (see above), but can also prevent some boneheaded data gymnastics (see below). Whew! Saved by compiler type resolution mismatch!
 
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In short, now that you realize you need this function, I hope you will want to see it added to the Data Manip palette.
 
Penultimate note: Coerce to Type is neither a replacement for typecast nor any of the type converts!!! There are distinct scenarios appropriate for each of the three concepts.
Ultimate note: please check the comments section, because I expect you'll find corrections to my terminology/concepts from GregR, et al.

TL;DR: the idea is please make building as fast in new LabVIEWs post 2023 Q3 as old ones when you have a clear compiled object cache and when your file timestamps have changed.

 

LabVIEW 2023 Q3 includes a major change to the app builder: 

 

LabVIEW 2023 Q3 has improved cache behavior for packed project libraries and applications.

 

The first build will populate the cache, and then the subsequent builds will be much faster.

Great! It is pretty easy to confirm this and it works! Unless...

 

1. File timestamps change - such as when you clean a directory and clone project files in your CI job

  • Git does not make file timestamps match "commit date" - when you clone fresh all the timestamps are now o'clock, when you change branches all the files that change are reset to now

2. The cache is cleared prior to the build - such as when you want a repeatable build unaffected by prior state so you set your CI jobs to clear it before each build

3. You are doing a "first build" on a new project - such as when you use a container or VM disk image to reset the entire environment to a clean state prior to your CI job

 

In all my testing, any of these conditions pretty strictly cause builds to be slower in LabVIEW 2023 Q3 than in earlier versions: with a clear cache by typically ~60%, with new timestamps and a persisted cache depends on how much of the code has new timestamps.

 

In other words, I expect most everyone using CI will find building slower in 2023 Q3+ than later versions. So, the idea is: whatever optimizations were done, include an option to revert to the old behavior - build spec, config ini, editor option, whatever.

Currently, DETT looks like this:

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But it should look like a proper profiler allowing for exploring and easily visualizing performance, threads, call stacks and memory usage at a glance (similar to this):

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This idea came to me from Darren's Nugget 2-23-2018 on Data Agnostic Probes I thought it might be useful to write a Probe.vim or specifically, a data type malleable probe to gain the ability to have some access to the data itself in a general smart probe and maintain the ability to display the data in a type specific manner.

 

One example would be a "Data History Probe" that displays the history values of any data type.  I'm sure there are other good uses.

Since LabVIEW 2017, the default build specification check the option "Allow future versions of the LabVIEW Runtime to run this application".

 

I don't undertstand why it is checked by default when you read the help that said "Disabling this option prevents any changes to the performance profiles and helps you avoid unexpected problems resulting from compiler upgrades."

 

Because NI and me doesn't know the future, NI will never garanty that your application will run with all the future LV Runtime. I know it well because I'm facing this issue with le LV RT 2020 that breaks the execution of different application that I have buid in 2017 SP1.

 

The behavior is a little strange too, because, even if you have the run-time use to build the application on your computer, the application will use the highest one present one the computer.

 

This options can be very usefull, and I appreciate it, but maybe we need to have more control on it. So my idea is to give to the user the ability to list supported or unsupported LabVIEW Runtime.

 

This will help us managing future LV Runtime without having to recompile the application which seems to be the goal of this option.

 

for Example :

 

[MyApplication]

ExcludeLVRTe = "2020,2021"

 

Regards

LabVIEW crashes randomly when network functions are used on Linux. This problem appears especially when many connections or files are open.

R&D has identified the issue but is evaluating wheter or not the issue will be resolved in future releases.

 

All the details are here : 

https://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/TCP-Allow-files-descriptors-gt-1024/m-p/4297433#M1255356

 

An example is attached.

 

 

 

 

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It would be helpful to have an array control property that fixed the number of elements in the array control to the specified size.  This would allow the developer to programmatically set the array control dimensions such that the user is unable to add new elements to the array.  This is specifically necessary when the number of elements in the array control may vary and may also be too large to display all of the elements.  If the scrollbar(s) are visible, then the user will always be able to add a new element add the bottom by editing the available empty element value.  This is undesireable if the developer wants to prevent the addition of new elements by the user.

   

Please see the discussion forum post below for the details of the issue and current workaround.

http://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/initialize-array-control-dimension/m-p/1221930#M520867

 

 

Thanks
Dan

String functions accept array input.

 

Example:

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Benefits:

  1. Avoid placing For loop or Subvi with for loop
  2. Looping performance can be improved with better logic inside the function.
  3. Block diagram space saving without for loops

 

Thank you

Adarsh

CLA from 2014

Timed Loops are only supported on Windows and RT, making it difficult to port applications that use it to Linux.

 

In talking to some NI R&D people, it should be possible to port the RT Linux shared library to desktop Linux. (Perhaps it wouldn't even need to be recompiled, since it's x86.) We also need support in the editor on Linux to allow us to drop the structure.

 

This seems like low-hanging fruit to at least try to implement.

 

When indexing a map on a for loop, the indexing is automatically done by ascending order on the key value.

I like this as a default behavior.

 

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I'd like to have a context menu option to force the for loop indexation to be done in reverse order.

This is an extension of Darin's excellent idea and touches on my earlier comment there.

 

I suggest that it should be allowed to mix booleans with numeric operations, in which case the boolean would be "coerced" (for lack of a better word) to 0,1, where FALSE=0 and TRUE=1. This would dramatically simplify certain code fragments without loss in clarity. For example to count the number of TRUEs on a boolean array, we could simply use an "add array elements".

 

(A possible extension would be to also allow mixing of error wires and numerics in the same way, in which case the error would coerce to 0,1 (0=No Error, 1=Error))

 

Here's how it could look like (left). Equivalent legacy code is shown on the right. Counting the number of TRUEs in a boolean array is an often needed function and this idea would eliminate two primitives. This is only a very small sampling of the possible applications.

 

 

Idea Summary: When a boolean (or possibly error wire) is wired to a function that accepts numerics, it should be automatically coerced to 0 or 1 of the dominant datatype connected to the other inputs. If there is no other input, e.g. in the case of "add array elements", it should be coreced to I32.

For distribution, only package necessary libraries in installer packages built with the project. A lightweight UI, server, or client does not need a full 70MB+ installer that bloats out to a few hundred MB's once installed! A colleague has remarked that the total size of our LabVIEW application+RTE EXCEEDS the entire size of the XPe image running on the embedded computer! This becomes an issue when distributing software upgrades to places in the world without high-speed internet connectivity.

Hi,

 

when I have to rework a vi, i usually start by putting the existing code in a disable structure

and then start working in the disabled 'case'.

 

Quite often I end up trying to replace the disable structure with a case structure to test the new or reworked vi.

 

Now I have to copy everyting into a temporary vi, remove the disable structure, put a case structure in place, paste again and rewire iputs and outputs.

 

Please add the ability to replace the disable structure with a case structure.

If you build a PPL with a class and then probe the class wire, all you get is the name of the class, whereas probing a source class shows you its private data.

 

Currently the only way I'm aware of (hopefully I'm just ignorant on this matter) to see the private data is to create extra code to expose it in some form.  This also often requires the PPL in question to be rebuilt which can be a huge pain when trying to debug. If the PPL is built with debugging enabled, wouldn't it make sense to show the private data contents in probes?

Current Behavior:

When using the "retain all errors" option of the Merge Errors function the combined error message JSON output is not a valid JSON string.

This is the source output of Merge Errors when retain all errors is active - it is not a valid JSON string.

 

<JSONErrorMultiple_1.0>[{
    "status": true,
    "code": 111,
    "source": "This is a test message including\nnewlines"
},{
    "status": true,
    "code": 222,
    "source": "This is a test message including\nnewlines"
}]

 

 

Desired Behavior:

Make the combined errors source string a valid JSON string so that it can be parsed by other tools.

Valid JSON string:

 

[{"status":true,"code":111,"source":"This is a test message including\nnewlines"},{"status":true,"code":222,"source":"This is a test message including\nnewlines"}]

 

 The above JSON string can be formatted nicely by most tools - e.g. JSON pretty print - https://jsonformatter.org/json-pretty-print

 

The below string including the JSONErrorMultiple_1.0 key (but formatted correctly) also works:

 

{"<JSONErrorMultiple_1.0>":[{"status": true,"code": 111,"source": "This is a test message including\nnewlines"},{"status": true,"code": 222,"source": "This is a test message including\nnewlines"}]}

 

 

So I'm going through a bunch of VIs and relinking them.  So I go to a folder and select say 100 VIs and drop them into a new blank VI.  A bunch of dialogs come up telling me VIs are missing and I ignore them all at the moment.  Then I go to the block diagram to find which ones are broken to review them one at a time.  The only problem is the error list window displays over 100 errors that aren't "SubVI is not Executable".  I have all kinds of errors about required inputs not being wired, and for "This VI cannot access the referenced item in private scope".  Well I don't really care I'm not trying to run these I'm just trying to find all broken VIs and fix them.

 

Which got me thinking, can we have a category view of some kind in the Error List Window?

 

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