LabVIEW Pros vs. Cons?

[jcarmody]

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@Yamaeda wrote:

I'd wager it has to do with the unique and different fact that it's graphical while all others are text. It's basically the same as comparing books with film, which is better? They offer different and unique experiences, and the same skillset can't really be transferred, only the fundamentals (in this example, a good story is good in both, how you tell it is fundamentally different)

/Y

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Books are definitely better than film.  Always.  I wish the world would phase out of film and that community wind down and move to more cerebrally-minded platforms.

[Hooovahh]

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jcarmody wrote:

Books are definitely better than film.  

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Yeah I guess, if you like viewing in one dimension instead of two.  He's a text programmer guys GET HIM!

Back on topic a bit.  I think we are partly to blame for the hot or cold nature of LabVIEW developers.  Because there are people who are so enthused and exited about about LabVIEW, there needs to be polar opposite.  When a person shows up talking about how great LabVIEW is to a person who doesn't like LabVIEW, they feel the need to justify their reasoning and an equally flamboyant way.  If someone came up to me and told me how Twilight was the best romantic story of our generation, I'd have some strong arguments to why they are wrong.  And admittedly I doubt they could say much to change my opinion, based on what I know.

NI Week doesn't help either.  Don't get me wrong I love NI Week but it is sorta like a religious experience meets a rock show when it comes to things like the key notes.  I don't know, but do other programming languages have week long events that celebrate how great their new technologies are?  NI Week is more than LabVIEW of course but from an outsider this might be how it is seen.

[Ben]

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@natasftw wrote:

Am I missing something or is LabVIEW the language with the most binary feelings.  People seem to either love it or hate it.  Google LabVIEW and you see all sorts of rants about it.  Every programmer has languages they enjoy and those they don't.  As an example, I'm not a fan of python.  But, you'll never see me running to write blogs about how much I hate it.  You won't see me hoping companies will drop it, etc.

What is it about LabVIEW that makes people so fanatic about it in one way or the other?  All languages have pros and cons.  What makes the pros and cons of LabVIEW so emotional for users?

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2 words.

NO SYNTAX.

Ben

[PaulG.]

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@Hooovahh wrote:

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jcarmody wrote:

Books are definitely better than film.  

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Yeah I guess, if you like viewing in one dimension instead of two.  He's a text programmer guys GET HIM!

Back on topic a bit.  I think we are partly to blame for the hot or cold nature of LabVIEW developers.  Because there are people who are so enthused and exited about about LabVIEW, there needs to be polar opposite.  When a person shows up talking about how great LabVIEW is to a person who doesn't like LabVIEW, they feel the need to justify their reasoning and an equally flamboyant way.  If someone came up to me and told me how Twilight was the best romantic story of our generation, I'd have some strong arguments to why they are wrong.  And admittedly I doubt they could say much to change my opinion, based on what I know.

NI Week doesn't help either.  Don't get me wrong I love NI Week but it is sorta like a religious experience meets a rock show when it comes to things like the key notes.  I don't know, but do other programming languages have week long events that celebrate how great their new technologies are?  NI Week is more than LabVIEW of course but from an outsider this might be how it is seen.

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We belong to a cult. 

[Norbert_B]

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@Hooovahh wrote:

NI Week doesn't help either.  Don't get me wrong I love NI Week but it is sorta like a religious experience meets a rock show when it comes to things like the key notes.  I don't know, but do other programming languages have week long events that celebrate how great their new technologies are?  NI Week is more than LabVIEW of course but from an outsider this might be how it is seen.

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Sorry for that......but: What is all the fuss about the half eaten fruit thingy????

Somehow that beats NI Week, does it?

EDIT: NI Week is not only about LV, right?

[Hooovahh]

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@Norbert_B wrote:

Sorry for that......but: What is all the fuss about the half eaten fruit thingy????

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And I've heard of Apple culture also being someone cult like.  But that is a great example because it is also a very polarizing company.

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@Norbert_B wrote:

NI Week is not only about LV, right?

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Right that's why I said:

"NI Week is more than LabVIEW of course but from an outsider this might be how it is seen."

[natasftw]

See, I'd generally expect a solid programmer to be more rational and less prone to an emotional outburst over a language.  But, i see the point of fighting extremes with extremes.

You know Ben, I think you just used two words to tell me why I prefer a graphical language.  Syntax is why I originally dropped out of programming.

I'm not sure NI Week has that big of an impact.  If we stick with the Apple comparison, most people are aware of WWDC whether they have any real interaction with Apple or not.  If nothing else, it's all over mainstream news wehn it takes place.  I'm not convinced casual LabVIEW programmers are aware NI Week exists.  That seems to be more of a "gift" for invested users.  It is a pretty crazy show for a programming platform, though.

[Dennis_Knutson]

One of the things that makes LabVIEW unique versus other programming languages is that it comes from a hardware company and I've felt that NI Week is about showcasing the new hardware and how LabVIEW makes it so much easier to program. I've also noticed a division between computer science types and engineering. This was very pronounced with my (former) son-in-law. He started as an engineering major and as a freshman, used LabVIEW for a project. His team even won a competition with it. After switching to a computer science major, had nothing but bad things to say about LabVIEW.

[richjoh]

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@Synaesthete wrote:

I have attained a CLA and CPI, and have taught the LabVIEW Basics course several times.  I've written dozens of applications in LabVIEW, and use the latest coding practices and follow strict style guidelines.  I've produced a hundred event-driven state machines, and in my architecture I utilize LVOOP and have a thorough understanding of the actor framework.

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Let us see the CLA, CPI, teaching and LV and state machines and LVOOP and Actor Framework credentials please? If you need to say this well... no explanation needed.

[WayneS1324]

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@richjoh wrote:

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@Synaesthete wrote:

I have attained a CLA and CPI, and have taught the LabVIEW Basics course several times.  I've written dozens of applications in LabVIEW, and use the latest coding practices and follow strict style guidelines.  I've produced a hundred event-driven state machines, and in my architecture I utilize LVOOP and have a thorough understanding of the actor framework.

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Let us see the CLA, CPI, teaching and LV and state machines and LVOOP and Actor Framework credentials please? If you need to say this well... no explanation needed.

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Why would you doubt what he says?