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Problem in stimulation of op-amp circuit used to produce sine wave

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Respected Sir,

 

I am trying to stimulate these circuits in Multisim ...but I am not getting the correct output.in oscilloscope.../technotrix oscilloscope.

 

On the contarary when I used a bread -board & checked the result..I was getting sine wave as output...

 

Please help me regarding the same..

I guess stimulating op-amp circuits is really tough in Multisim..!!

 

Kindly find the attached file.

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NUPSSHAH,

 

I took a quick look at these circuits.  

 

In 'sine wave generation.ms12' for U1A, you have pin 4 (V+) wired to Gnd and pin 11 wired to +6V (whereas all the other opamps are opposite).  Is this intentional or is your circuit not correct?

 

Also, these appear to be of the self-resonant variety (where the 180 phase change is important) and may be difficult for any SPICE simulator to simulate, especially if the start-up conditions and phase (transfer function) is not perfectly modeled.    I think this may be similar to a situation where in SPICE you need to 'kick-start' a resonant crystal, ie - you'll need to give it some initial energy and eventually it will start resonating.   (See here: http://forums.ni.com/t5/Circuit-Design-Suite-Multisim/Crystal-Oscillator/td-p/1109026)

 

Usually with a crystal the model is relatively simple.   The difficulty with an opamp is that if you give it too much energy (in an effort to get it to ramp up to resonance quickly), the simulation may go nonlinear due to clipping/saturation and the overall simulation at that point may not be reliable.

 

Please check your circuits again, but perhaps you could try using a thermal noise source + interactive SPDT switch to give it enough of a start (and switch it out if enough energy is applied)?  Just an idea...  If you see it dampen after the source is off, the phase is likely off.

 

Master Database -> Signal_Voltage_Sources -> THERMAL_NOISE

 

Pat Noonan

National Instruments

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Thank you Sir....!!!!

 

Yes there was some problem in the circuit & also the voltage given to op-amp was very high...

 

Now I got the simulation result...

 

This is a great forum to help student!!!

 

Thank you once again..

 

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NUPSSHAH,

 

Please post the fixed/completed circuit in the case it will benefit other users.

 

Thank you,

Pat Noonan

National Instruments

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Hello,

 

Please find the attached file .The corrected one.

 

Since I needed the sine wave as reference & I shall use LM 741C op-amp I have made correction in that circuit.

 

I dnt try to correct the other one....

 

Thank you for your help & support..!!!

 

Regards,

Nupur Shah

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NUPSSHAH,

 

Your welcome. Multisim and SPICE usually do a good job of modeling the actual circuit behavior, as long as your careful about A) the circuit setup and the B) overall model ability and implications (meaning to get the information you want, the model has to be setup to behave in the characteristic way to exhibit the behavior).  For example, if you want to see noise behavior, but your model doesn't include the required noise sources, you're out of luck.

 

Anyways, glad you were successful.

 

- Pat Noonan

National Instruments

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