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Often times I need to change a property of something in labview that seems to only be available through a property node. And often I don't want to do it during run time just once at development but I find it really hard to get references to some objects and I want them in another VI that I can run real quick to set the property and then be done. If you have the option enables that shows labview scripting property node options and invoke nodes, can under create there be a  Create reference in a new vi. And if you click it you get a new VI with just a ref that you can then do whatever you need with it. And please make this work for anything that has a property or method related to it. I have some tools that I wrote that can kind of do this but I am sure it is not a good way of doing it (but it is the best I have got).

On Plot Attribute Change event, the cluster structure should match with the group of properties such that we could pass it as is and re-use it when we need to re-apply all properties. Inside the property node there should be a section Plot.Attributes.All Elements that would be identical to the cluster returned by the event.

 

Also worth mention that Plot.Visible is not part of the cluster but the event is triggered when user toggles the plot visibility. Strangely the Plot.Name can also be edited by user but that doesn't trigger the event.

 

I wonder if it's a missing feature or more like a design flaw.

 

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Flattened String To Variant is so close to letting us define the layout of arbitrary external data.  However, labview's insistence on all strings and arrays being prepended with their lengths in the data string means when working with binary data from non-labview sources, the array or string lengths might have to be calculated or are somewhere not immediately adjacent to the data.  I understand it's far too late to modify the base unflatten from string or read from file as requested in this idea, but this feature would be incredibly useful for reading binary data directly into clusters without requiring either multiple copies of incredibly large (100,000+) arrays floating around, or incredibly tedious and complex sequences of Read from Binary File nodes.

In OOP, interfaces define a contract. When a method/function expects a type of interface as an argument, any type implementing this interface can be passed. A well known and much used concept. I imagine something like this could be implemented for clusters in LabVIEW. Imagine if you could have a subVI define a cluster/cluster array, mark it as an interface and be able to wire any cluster/cluster array that adheres to this interface (adhering to the interface would basically mean that an unbundle by name node accessing any/all members of the interface would also work on any “derived” cluster). Both the cluster on the front panel and the wire should clearly indicate that this is an interface, which would mean that the cluster/wire actually contains more members, but you only have access to the ones defined by the interface. I definitely see some use cases for this. Sound useful/feasible?

This subject has been touched on briefly, but only in a post that started out just suggesting an indication of whether or not a case structure is case insensitive. This has been implemented since then, of course.

 

What I'd like to bring to the surface again is the case sensitivity. The mention of this in the previous post was suggesting that case insensitivity be made the default. I don't agree with this - especially with the repercussions it could have on converting older code. 

 

However, I think it would certainly be useful and acceptable to add a checkbox to the "Block Diagram >> General" options for "Case structures case insensitive by default" (see screenshot). This would not break previous code, since turning it on would only effect case structures created after turning it on. Additionally, the "default default" would still be case insensitive, but programmers that do use string-based case selection could leverage this to their advantage (and not deal with forgetting to turn it on via the right-click option).

can we have an option of loading only user-specified rows from a delimited spreadsheet instead of all rows, perhaps allowing the user to specify which and how many rows to read? this is potentially useful if the user want to read the select or latest few rows (typically at the last few rows due to write append) without having to load unnecessarily large amount of data into memory.

 

implementation wise, can use a row index and length input optional terminals defaulted at index:0 and length:-1, to yield all rows by default for the rows (note: terminal name changed) output terminal. index:-1 to specify from end of file and non-zero length:L for how many rows from the end of file (-L for reversed order, last row on top). if index:-1, the data read will be replacing elements within a fixed sized array of L elements until the EOF returns true. for example, index:-1 and lenght:5 would yield last 5 rows from file. 

 

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thanks for reading and have a great day

There are already several Ideas on the exchange regarding custom error-code files. A subset are listed below:

Project error code files (request to locate error file near lvproj file, or via Project properties)

Error txt file (allow specifying a path when calling General/Simple Error Handler, store the custom file somewhere not in <National Instruments>/{Shared,<lv-version>}/...)

Make custom error code files part of a project (allow project-level error codes, not stored in user.lib)

Error ring without file (request for an error-ring typedef that could be stored in the project's source code collection)

 

My suggestion here is most like the last - I'd like to suggest a file type like a .ctl (or perhaps via typedef, if technically better/more implementable) that can be added to a project, library or class and contains a list of errors.

 

Ideally, these errors should be only possible to throw from inside the library, but must of course be visible from outside of the library.

Implementing these at the project level restricts the possibility of use with PPLs, reusable libraries, etc, because the project file is a dev-only construct (as far as I understand), unlike classes and libraries (which are part of what you distribute in whatever form you choose).

 

The ability to store these files in a library or class also allows the possibility of scoping the error code, such that the handler can more easily identify the source of the error.

 

LabVIEW already categorizes it's errors into broad sections (LabVIEW, MAX, NI Platform Services) etc and so perhaps these could be used as the scope of the existing, built-in error codes, although I'm not sure if this would require significant work or not... I suspect many things seem easier when you're not the person who will implement the changes!

When using refnum arrays with auto-indexed tunnels in loops, I often bump into the absence of the submenus "Property for <ClassName> Class" and "Method for <ClassName> Class" in the "Create" Menu.

The submenus appear when right-clicking normal tunnels, shift registers, wires, subVI terminals, Constants, Controls, everywhere, except for auto-indexed tunnels.

image.pngThis idea is a revival of an old post from Darin.K : https://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW-Idea-Exchange/Create-Property-or-Invoke-Nodes-from-Auto-indexed-tunnels/idi-p/1143340

which has been declined in 2015 for too low priority reason, but since it is still annoying now (e.g. with LV 2018), especially when using VI server (dynamic VI calls, UI elements manipulation, VI Scripting...), I think NI should reconsider it.

On all "Find Items" windows (Find Project Items, Find Items with No Callers, Find Missing Items), it would be nice if they were all sortable by file type.

 

And I think I saw this suggestion on the forums somewhere before, but it would also be nice if the windows didn't disappear everytime you clicked an item to go to it.

Hello forum

 

Wouldn't it be nice if we can add W10 IoT Enterprise PCs as Embedded Targets, where we can create VI executable and set it as startup programs and once deployed, the target will be automatically configured to: launch the startup programs with Embedded Enabling Features (EEF), Enhanced Write Filter (EWF), Hibernate Once, Resume Many (HORM) and File Based Write Filter (FBWF) but on different volume; as presented in NI Week TS2361 & TS8562 slides.

 

Thanks

hello forum

 

what do you think about a "feature" where developers can enforce version control on applications deployed into end-user systems? it may sound something like some feature of a certain OS, but it may be beneficial in a way or two...

 

the most obvious being for version enforcement, some members may not like this, but often time newer versions of application are developed to address certain issues of the previous version, and it would be pointless if the end user kept sticking to the old version for certain feature they may have grown to like

 

it can also be extended to subscription based or trial version deployments, a more friendly way for developers to present their systems for customers for in-situ system trial

 

one way to deploy this feature, is to minimally trace the execution instances of the RTE in deployed systems, across newer and older version, log them for follow-up actions, that can range from friendly popup reminders for update to application execution prevention.

 

what do you think?

Make Trim Whitespace.vi remove non-breaking space characters.  This could be accomplished by adding "\A0" to the "regular expression" input.

 

Also, make "White Space?" return True for non-breaking space characters.

 

Suggest adding functionality to the event structure when handling Value Change events, so that the user can tell whether the source of that generated event was via a write to a Val(Sgnl) property node, or via a Front Panel change made by the user. 

 

This could potentially be achieved (albeit with backwards compatibility considerations) by defining an appropriate enum constant for the eventsource.ctl which available in the "Source" field of the Event Data Node (currently has "LabVIEW UI, ActiveX, User Event, and Other <>..." as the only defined constants).

 

More discussion and rationale is in this community topic:

Solved: Re: UI-Triggered Event vs. Value (Signaling) Event? - NI Community

Let's Encrypt is an Certificate Authority (CA) that provides FREE TLS certificates for people and organisations to secure their websites and servers. Their certificates are valid for a maximum of 3 months, but client applications can automatically update the certificate when due.

It would be very nice to have this functionality in the NI web server. Exipiring certificates are cumbersome to manage.

I would like the ability to perform a one page or bounded clean up on some of my diagrams. I understand such a cleanup will take longer and might not be possible in all scenarios but a space bounded cleanup would make certain block diagrams a lot easier to work with.

It would be useful if LabVIEW offered the option to use an Error Collector Node inside structures.

 

The Error Collector Node would collect or capture any/all unhandled errors that occurred inside the structure that the node is part of. If one or more unhandled errors occurred, the Error Collector Node would output the first error that occurred (in chronological error). If no errors occurred, the node would output "No Error".

 

The following annotated screenshot shows how the Error Collector Node would help reduce the number of error wire segments and of Merge Errors nodes.

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The following screenshot shows a second example. Notice that using the Error Collector Node would result in a significant reduction of block diagram items: 10 fewer wire segments and 1 fewer Merge Error Node. The reduction in block diagram items could be even larger if we consider that the other cases of the case structure (potentially dozens of cases) also benefit from the same Error Collector Node being placed on the border of the case structure.

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The two screenshots above are examples created specifically for the purpose of posting this idea. The following screenshot is a real-world example (taken from production code) of a VI that could benefit from the Error Collector Node, which would remove the need for numerous error wire segments and Merge Error nodes.

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Notes

  • The Error Collector Node was prototyped as a hexagonal output tunnel in the screenshots above. I would, of course, be happy if a different glyph or shape is chosen to represent this new type of tunnel.
  • Error Collector Node would essentially behave similarly to a localised Automatic Error Handling functionality. It would collect or capture any unhandled errors inside its area of responsibility (the structure), and would convert those errors back into "manually-handled" errors - i.e. errors than are passed downstream via an error wire.
  • The Error Collector Node would be useful especially in situations where many code branches execute in parallel as it eliminates the need for lots of Merge Error nodes.
  • The first two screenshots mention the words "approximately equivalent to". "Approximately" because, if multiple errors occur inside the structure, the Error Collector Node does not guarantee which of those errors are output in the same way that the Merge Errors node does. For example, in the first screenshot, if all three VIs (VI A, VI B, and VI C) experience an error, there is no guarantee as to which of those errors the Error Collector Node would output. The node would output the first error that occurred (in chronological order), so it would depend on which VI finished execution first. This could change from execution to execution, and from machine to machine. Whereas the right-hand-side version, which uses Merge Errors, would always output the error generated by VI A.
    • This would usually not be an issue in practice. If more determinism is needed, the programmer could, of course, fall back on manually wiring the errors to define an exact error behaviour.
  • It should be possible to add a maximum of one Error Collector Node to each structure: Flat Sequence Structures, Case Structures, For Loops, While Loops, etc.
  • It would be useful if the Error Collector Node could be used outside of structures (directly on the outermost region of a block diagram). Again, enforcing a maximum of one Error Collector Node per outer block diagram would make sense. The Error Collector Node would execute after all other block diagram nodes and structures (would be the last thing to execute). The output of the Error Collector node could then be fed directly to an "Error Out" block diagram terminal. This would remove the need to wire most error wires inside the VI, while ensuring that no error goes uncaptured.
  • If the Error Collector Node exist only as a structure output tunnel, and not as a stand-alone node outside of structures, then a better name for it might be the Error Collector Output Tunnel.
  • The behaviour of the Error Collector Node would be unaffected by Automatic Error Handling being enabled or disabled in that VI.
  • Using Error Collector Nodes would benefit programmers in the following ways:
    • Would reduce the amount of "click-work" that programmers currently need to do (the number of wire segments and Merge Error nodes that need to be created), while ensuring that all unhandled errors are captured.
    • Would reduce the amount of block diagram "clutter". This "clutter" is apparent in the third screenshot, which shows many criss-crossing error and DAQmx wires.
    • Would decrease the size on disk of VIs thanks to fewer block diagram items needing to be represented in the VI file. This would help towards making git repositories a little bit smaller, and loading VIs into memory a little bit quicker.
  • Informally, using Error Collector Nodes would sit in-between the strictness of manually wiring all error outputs, and the looseness of relying solely on Automatic Error Handling. The error handling gold-standard would remain manually wiring all error outputs, but using Error Collector Nodes might be "good enough" in many situations, if used judiciously.

Problem: Currently wiring an error wire to a structure input tunnel that does not continue as a wire clears the error that exists on the wire.

 

Happy case: When running the VI shown below, Automatic Error Handling correctly detects that the error out terminal of Error Cluster From Error Code.vi is unwired, and handles the error (displays the error as a dialogue window).

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Unhappy case: Wiring the error wire from the error out terminal of Error Cluster From Error Code.vi to a structure input tunnel clears the error. Automatic Error Handling does not detect or handle the error.

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In my opinion this was simply an unfortunate design decision (can happen to all of us) back when it was made, decades ago. IMO there is no logical argument to support this behaviour. The fact that the error wire is wired to an input tunnel does not mean that the error was handled. At best, when a programmer intentionally used this technique, it represents a non-self-documenting coding practice (why not use the self-documenting Clear Errors.vi?). At worst, it means clearing errors simply because the programmer forgot to wire the wire through the structure. It means clearing errors when the programmer did not explicitly ask for this. It means "sweeping errors under the carpet", and can result in overly "optimistic" applications (apps that seemingly execute without error when in fact unhandled errors are being generated).

 

Please note that even though the screenshot above shows a Flat Sequence Structure input tunnel, the behaviour applies to every structure (case structure, for loop, while loop, etc).

 

To summarise, the problem is that the screenshot above is functionally equivalent to explicitly using the Clear Errors.vi, as seen below.

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Clear Errors.vi is of course the self-documenting, recommend method of clearing errors. It should also be the only method of clearing errors.

 

Ironically, Clear Errors.vi itself uses the "clear error by wiring it to input tunnel" technique inside its "0" case, as seen below.

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To its credit, Clear Errors.vi uses a correct technique for clearing errors inside its other, default case.

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Another example found "in the wild" of a VI using the "clear error by wiring it to input tunnel" technique. This VI ships with LabVIEW and is found at <LabVIEW installation folder>\vi.lib\Utility\EditLVProj\Identify VIs Among Project Items.vi.

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Solution: Disable the "clear error by wiring it to input tunnel" behaviour. This would fix what IMO is an incorrect design decision. Unfortunately, fixing this decision now would result in VIs that use the "clear error by wiring it to input tunnel" technique to start throwing unhandled errors if AEH is enabled. This is not ideal, but it might be worth accepting this short-term drawback for long-term gain.

 

Moreover, it may be useful to introduce a Clear Errors node (primitive function). The Clear Errors.vi could then make use of the Clear Errors node inside both of its cases. Alternatively, the Clear Errors node could simply replace and supersede the Clear Errors.vi.

Automatic Error Handling (AEH) is a useful feature. It captures errors that were otherwise left unwired by the programmer (intentionally or accidentally). It represents a "safety net" that can make the programmer aware of errors that they may otherwise remain unaware of.

 

Problem: Currently AEH functionality is only available in the development environment. It is not available in built executables. Even when all VIs in a project have AEH enabled, once built into an EXE, all VIs behave as if AEH was disabled.

 

Solution: It should be possible to honour each VI's AEH setting in built EXEs too, not just in DevEnv. The EXE build specification could contain a setting named "Honour each VI's Automatic Error Handling setting in EXE". When ticked (enabled), any VIs for which AEH was enabled in the development environment will continue to benefit from AEH behaviour in the EXE. Any VIs for which AEH was disabled will continue to have it disabled in the EXE. This means that, from an error handling/error manipulation point of view, the application would behave identically when being run as an EXE as when being run in Development Environment. This is more consistent, and can be helpful.

 

The current behaviour (forcibly removing AEH in EXE) means that EXEs are prone to having errors that were not discovered during DevEnv testing being "swept under the carpet". In other words, currently EXEs are overly "optimistic" - they can make the programmer believe that everything is ok when in fact one or multiple unhandled errors are occurring, errors that would have been visible in DevEnv. This is particularly relevant to apps that run for long periods of time (e.g. life cycle testers) that may encounter errors that were simply unforeseen or untested in DevEnv (e.g. error after one month of continuous running due to running out of disk space when saving measurements log file to disk).

 

The screenshot below shows how the new setting could look like in the Advanced page of the EXE build spec.

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Notes

  • To be absolutely clear: I am not asking for AEH to be enabled by default in all EXEs. I am also not asking for AEH to become enabled in all VIs when the new build spec setting is ticked.  This would override the AEH setting of all VIs - I am not asking for this.
  • The default value of the new setting should be False (unticked). When False, the built EXE would behave exactly as it does now - AEH would be disabled in all VIs. This would maintain the current behaviour as default.
  • The new setting would give the programmer more control - it would allow the programmer to decide whether they want AEH or not in their EXE. Currently AEH is taken away in EXE, even when we (professional LabVIEW programmers) might want it enabled.
  • I would be happy if the new setting was available only for desktop, non-real-time applications, and not on Real-Time targets.

I'm proposing a new certification, one certification to rule them all, the Certified LabVIEW Gangster Group Developer.

 

Or simply a fully functioning CLA that requires 3 people to take the test.

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It should function using an FPGA, or a simulated interface.